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HSC, I did not love Clayton, I was just his fan. CubKilla, he wasn't a rally killer - one reason that I keep score so seriously at games is to get a feel for who does what in various situatons. MJ was a real problem last year in that regards, why I went from liking MJ to being glad he is gone. Hell, as much as I absolutely love Mags, realize he is the player who you least want to see with a runner at first and 1 out - he won't be all that he can be until he stops hitting into the double plays Everyone: I was in favor of getting rid of both Clayton and Valentin. When you sit in the stands and watch 36 errors by one player at one position and cringe whenever the routine play is hit his way... I am sick of the legend of St. Jose. He has given us some great moments but this heart and soul of the team is just bulls***. If he is that, he is that at whatever position he plays, not just when he plays shortstop. In his own way, he is just as disruptive as any problem in the clubhouse player we have ever had. I cheer for Jose in all his good moments and sing the Jose, Jose Jose, Jose song like everyone else - but one's fan-dom for a player should not blind to his faults. For everyone who said f*** Clayton - isn't that what Frank's various ex's said? I am glad he is gone, He was bashed unfairly yet his time with us was up and reached the point of being totally counter productive. After we watch Jose butcher a bunch of routine plays - he makes the tough ones, he is spectacular on those, and boots the routine ones or more likely throws them away - after we see 36 more errors at short we will remember why we shopped for a shortstop at the end of 2000 - in my perfect world, Harris would play 2nd and Jimenez play short and I think that is the way we need to go to win. I doubt Valentin will be with us after this season. I canot see the Sox re-signing him for what his conbtract range will be. I'd trade him now if anyone will trade for him for whatever good player we can get.

stop, for your sake and the sake of your family - how many need to die before the "side effects" will make an impression on you? We'll all be saying, Yeah, he is a great kid, an great Sox fan, and he knew the stuff was dangerous but he took it anyway, what a damn dumb f*** to do this to himself and his family.... It is not only the risk of taking it now, there is also its long term damage - the heart and metabolism were not made to be revved by speed - you want to get the heart rate up, do a treadmill or jumping jacks - When did I stop taking it? I came home from work and the dog was dead after obvously trying to tear about the house and I couldn't figure out what was what until I saw the empty diet supplement bottle - she got into it and the effedra/ephedra killed her and it was a horrible death, just like Rashidi Wallace, just like this O's player I did a little research and its not just the short term but the long term risks - there are ephedra-free products out there too - check at a health store for ephedra free products - they don't rev the heart the way ephedra does and they boost the metabolism for what you are looking for -

I am glad that someone has taken the mantle from me and assumed it for their own self you did fail to add Royce's hustle on the bases - but expect to get a lot of heat. Better you than me - I got all the flaming on Royce the last two years. And I always knew there was another Clayton fan (or at least, non-attacker) out there! My prayers are with you

if we hadn't traded Lofton and Durham then I'd be screaming to trade them now - one month out of 4 doesn't do it for for Lofton, and we needed new blood at 2nd

right on my brother! (now who the hell is that in your avatar - I watch him make that great play day after day and have no clue who he is!)

I agree and as it was well said I only repeat and do not add more.

it is truly tragic - it is real possible it was an undiagnosed genetic thing - if the kid was trying to make up ground real fast it is also possible it could have been an over the counter performance enhancing drug - people pop effedra all the time and that is speed and it does kill - pushes the heart rate up and that is not good - I grieve for the family.

I like Frank at #3 and he was so goof for us in 2000, I don't remember how many 1st inning runs he gave us in 2000 but he was either putting us in the lead or getting us ont he scoreboard after the other scored in the 1st which put us right back in the games - he did ok at #5 last year though but that was a special situation I think - assuming Frank is all the way (as I do) I'd want to see him at #3

We have all (except clujer420) posted things we wish we hadn't - how's that?

It takes a very good person to apologise in public - check out my response in the other thread - no one is angry and the way the internet works everything will be forgotten in a few days but it is real class on your part to say what you have here - you're cool by me and let's go White Sox! (great name by the way!)

ok thanks cool forget it, and I'm not angry with you - we have all posted things we wish we hadn't, I know I have, so your words here are very appreciated and lets move in to looking for the Sox to win it all this year! Any fan of Mags and Frank is a friend of mine! Sox rock!

I don't think we'll see much at all of Paul. I think the vast majority of catching (bar Sandy's time on DL if any) will be betrween Olivo and Alomar. One is the future, one is the mentor, and Paul I think exists only for emergencies.

do you remember the moment of impact? I don't. I remember everything right up to it and immediately after it but not the moment of impact itself. I am sure my brain shut down on that one. One of the things that I knew even as I was flying through the air (and I can remember the sound of the headlights breaking...) was that my son was alright, somehow it regsitered in my mind that I had shoved him out of the way and he wasn't hit and that was a comfort to me as I was airborn. I cannot imagine how I would have felt had he been hit. He was 13 then and small for his age and he would have been shattered a lot worse than me. And much better me being hit than him. (Of course, much better if the driver wasn't high-speeding through town and ignoring a pedestrain crosswalk too...)

it is kind of like a little club for those who have been hit or those who have been confined to a wheel chair - we know what each other has been through that no one else knows. It is just a whole different perspective. I can easily see your reasoning at the time. You must have been hurting like hell though. I take the knees were not broken but rather badly damaged without a break?

oh yes, baggio, oh yes -

Jason, thanks for the kind words. Actually I am a real asshole, I just disguise it! Fanof14, believe me, I feel your pain. I was lucky that my knee was not involved. The fear of arthritis is one reason I worked my body parts so hard, unbelievable how fast muslces can atrophy, and whether one can fight arthristis or not I don't know but I am trying to. Your knees were hit - must have been a newer model car than the one that hit me, I was struck by a big old Oldsmobile or something like that, it was a car from the 70s, one of the last of the huge dinosaurs before the energy crisis of the 70s, so it hit me higher. You didn't tell your parents because you didn't want to get into trouble, right? Wow. It is amazing how a little decision can affect us for so long in such a major way. I am feeling for you a lot - life is such a matter of circumstance, had it been my knees and not my femur I am not at all sure I could have worked it back as I have, and I know what those days are like when the pain gets bad because I have those even now, not like yours but I know what you mean. I just take some Darvocet and keep pushing it, but that's because it was not my knees. I will keep you in thoughts and prayers.

permantly disabled???...youre lucky your not permanently dead!!! i have met C -dub and i can say i never had a clue about any disability...its a testament to the "never say die" spirit that lives in all hard core whiter sox fans !! no wishing injuries on anyone guys...sox fans are better than that one leg is shorter than the other - I lost 1.5 inch of femur when the car hit me - and some inner thigh muscles are just gone - kind of have a big depression in the middle of the inner thigh - but I also have a really neat scar running down my whole thigh! I wear a heel life in the shoe and did a hell of a lot on PT to learn to walk without tilting - I can go without the heel lift and I sometimes do but do it too long and it throws my back out - also all ther aerobics and yoga&pilates that I do are in good part to keep working that leg because if I don't the muscles tighten, ie shorten, and the limp becomes visible. It is funny though when my leg gets really tired and I start veering to the right all the time - you wouldn't see anything in normal life because I show my inner thigh with big depression to very few people Even in the health club I always wear something under my shorts that is long enough to cover the place - that was the worst f***ing pain in my life, I was able to push my older son out of the way and I was all ok - I looked at my leg and knew it was as badly broken as it was because legs don't do 90degree bends mid femur normally - I was all ok until I got someone to take my son under their wing to take him home, once I was done with the daddy stuff, I said, this really f***ing hurts (and I was wearing my clergy collar... ) and then proceeded to set the world record for saying "this really f***ing hurts" repeatedly - then it got worse in the hospital when they had to pull the leg to get it ready to set, damn i was screaming so loudly, I told them to leave me alone, I'd live with it really embarrassing afterwards when you have been screaming at people to leave you the f*** alone with the collar on - and after that, nothing has even felt like pain again. Nothing can ever hurt me that bad again. Literally I went from one day leg pressing 300 pounds to not being to lift my leg at all - when I began PT they put a 1 pound on my leg and I couldn't budge it - and there are days now all these years later (it happened 4-9-85) that the leg still aches and I can feel the place where the bone shattered - but you know how Italian Sox fans are, no one is going to tell us we can't do what we want to do and I wanted to walk again and live life as I did before. A few more inches one way the car would have killed me, a few inches the other and she may have missed - I will never forget that experience - I never saw the car, I just heard it, turned and shoved my kid as hard as I could out of the way and then I went flying - threw me 18 feet. The only thing that saved my ribs when I landed was all the weights and aerobics that I do, I was in great shape (I had been doing 2 hours of aerobics 5 days a week plus weights for the two months prior to that day, i was in a training program) so instead of going splat, my chest bounced off the pavement - was badly bruised but no ribs were broken. I never learned the name of the driver because it was some 17 year girl and I knew if I knew her name I would hate her so I made a point of never learning her name.

he wasn't any brighter when he was with us -

You aren't saying that for me. Not al all. In no way. To wish injury and permanent disability on anyone is beyond the pale of being a fan. Even meaning that :in fun" is f***ing bulss***. I have been run over by a vehicle and spent a year and a half in rehab, in a wheel chair, and on crutches, several operations, and for the rest of my life I have to work around the loss of some muscles from my leg. The fact that no one can tell when they met me is only a sign of the success of my working so hard in PT and since. I was very lucky that I wasn't permanently disabled. Of course I was very unlucky the car hit me. Maybe it will happen to you and you will learn that what you think is so funny to wish on others is not that damned funny. To wish "injuring them badly... so they spend life sitting in a wheel chair..." is sick. Short term or life long disabiliites are not funny. Maybe it will happen to you and we can all laugh, huh?

All of it is true whatever age - does get boring, nothing to do - I am lucky that one of our two lane highways in town can take me away to the big city as needed! Safe, I leave my car running outside the postoffice while I go inside, I don't lock my door most of the time - lots of advantages in those ways - I can pick up stuff in many stores in town without paying right away, they know me and know I'll be back - it also means everyone knows or think they know everyone else's business, very hard to live under the radar screen. I realy feel sorry for the teenagers, they cannot date without the parents usually knowing each other and having all kinds of opinions on the family - kids can't date in peace - kids have no place to go to be themselves, to just hang and be teenagers - I am gald that I did not grow up here

This is really bad but you have to say Koch's name correctly as "cotch" Knock knock. Who's there. Koch. Koch who? God bless you. Knock knock. Who's there. Koch. Koch who? Koch who will win the Rolaids Relief Man of the Year award. Those were both bad and I am outta here.

thank you for the stats, I guess that bears cubkilla and me correct!

no one is voting against Mags, come on, we all love Mags - Frank's career batting average is higher than Mags and counting full seasons for both players, 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2002, in two of those seasons Frank had the better average and in two Mags had. So it is very easy to choose Frank as having a higher batting average than Mags. Or the other way. Frank has always had a very good average other than his injury years. Nothing would make me happier than to see them finish 1-2 at the end of the year in the AL for batting average -

Wasn't just you who thought that - that was always my impression too

then you got to take me to the Michigan at Notre Dame game in 2004 so we can see the Irish lose - I notice that you very carefully said that you'd buy the tickets, not be a fan - that is smart thinking!