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this is all I can find from Chicago Sports - I ask again, do we have confirmation that he signed or just rumor? _____________________________________________________________ Sox may take gamble GM Williams wants bargain in lefty Rogers By Phil Rogers Tribune baseball reporter February 5, 2003 With closing time fast approaching for free agents, the White Sox continue to look for bargains. They are exploring a serious late push to sign left-hander Kenny Rogers, whom they believe would improve their playoff chances significantly. Rogers, a 13-game winner who compiled a 3.84 earned-run average over 210 innings last season, would fill the only vacancy in a starting rotation including Bartolo Colon, Mark Buehrle, Jon Garland and Dan Wright. advertisement cars.com advertisement His signing would give manager Jerry Manuel the formula that was the foundation for Anaheim's championship season—five starting pitchers coming off seasons in which they worked 190-plus innings over at least 30 starts. The Sox are already the only team in the majors with four such commodities. Under normal circumstances, there would be no way the White Sox could afford to add Rogers after trading for Colon. But the bottom has dropped out of the free-agent market to such a degree that the players union is exploring a grievance for collusion. With more than 50 free agents unsigned, few teams appear to have the resources for significant acquisitions. That landscape encourages Sox general manager Ken Williams to take a run at Rogers, whom he hopes would be intrigued by a chance to pitch for a contender. Williams has not made an offer to Rogers' agent, Scott Boras, but confirmed he is investigating the possibility. "I'm not sure if there could be a fit but it is awfully intriguing," Williams said Tuesday. "We're still looking to get better. Hopefully he would take a look at us and decide this isn't a bad place to be. We'd have to be creative, like we were when we added Kenny Lofton [before spring training in 2002]." Few players in recent years have misread the market as badly as the 38-year-old Rogers. He is not known to have received any solid offers since rejecting a two-year, $10.2 million deal to return to Texas. It is unlikely the Sox would offer Rogers more than $2 million. Lofton's deal was for $1.025 million, including $525,000 deferred without interest. He earned $350,000 in bonuses. His unusual deal included a series of attendance clauses that would have earned him an additional $1.4 million if the Sox had drawn 2.5 million in attendance. According to sources, Boston and Pittsburgh are among the other teams that maintain an interest in Rogers. St. Louis and Arizona were mentioned as possible suitors earlier in the winter. Because Minnesota was 23-29 against left-handed starters, the Sox see value in having two lefties in the starting rotation. Rookie Josh Stewart, who hasn't pitched above Double A, is the only left-hander currently in the mix for the vacancy. Esteban Loaiza, who was 9-10 with a 5.71 ERA for Toronto, became the frontrunner for the spot when he signed a minor-league deal two weeks ago. Rookie Jon Rauch might be the long-term solution but seems likely to open the season working every fifth day for Triple-A Charlotte. Rogers, once a power pitcher, has been especially effective against American League Central teams since learning how to pitch with a mid-80s fastball. He is 10-6 with a 3.47 ERA in 18 starts against Minnesota, Cleveland, Detroit and Kansas City since 2000. That includes a 3-1 mark and 2.38 ERA in five starts against the Twins. He worked seven innings in all three starts against Minnesota last season. Chuck Finley, another left-hander without a contract, is not considered an option by the White Sox. Rick Helling, a 20-game winner in 1998, and Robert Person are among the pitchers still looking for deals. David Justice, Rickey Henderson and Travis Lee are among the potential run-producers who remain available.

I like Kelly, he stays!

so have we actually signed Rogers or just going by a radio report? I can't find any confirmation elsewhere

I agree with you - the whole thing should be de-criminalized and sold legally in stores

You are a very bright young man! The answer is: both, plus she is a hell of a good friend -

every state has provisions like that - you can't be giving every kid who gets busted on a felony possession of a few joints real jail time (no room and not safe) or even a criminal record because there but for luck go any of us - we process kids like that in our county court all the time - the law kind of assumes that you get busted once, learn your lesson, the second time you get caught, you are stupid and it sticks - but to get the deal, you have to have a clean record first most states also let a person have a single conviction expunged if you stay conviction free for some period of time after that - and the big push for expungements these days is from people who want to carry concealed weapons - amazing how many felons want to carry weapons - and we take their money and file their court papers and get their record expunged.

sitting with HSC is very educational - and she had Frank's problem pegged exactly - and I call dibs on sitting next to HSC all during 2003

does anyone believe that he is 33?

I am thinking the same thing, territorial rights in Southern Cal - and DC has failed twice, not too keen about giving them a third shot - I think Puerto Rico would be a fun place to have a team! And Ditka as a Lions coach? I hope that never comes to pass. Everyone here is very happy with Michigan-born Mariucci falling into our laps.

The use of the word gay to mean lame or stupid is always going to be offensive and basic respect for other people means you don't use it that way. Further, if the idea of coming up with slogans is not someone's idea of fun, there is no need to post that - just leave it alone, uncommented on. Some people like to do that, some don't. So why bash on Heather because she wanted to do that? The opinion that Heather's idea was lame - offensively lasbeled gay - never needed to be said - not every thought is worth posting, and why go out of one's way to insult Heather's idea? Basic respect for other people is always cool. Sure you can post anyting you want, but why go out of one's way to put down some else? Just move in and start a new thread that you think is better instead of cut down someone else.

managing 25 highly competitive people whose very livelihoods depend on playing cannot be easy - I don't know the answer to your question

best that I can do http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb...fid=77102185346

you'd be right, so I will edit that out

If there have been any gay posts, I have missed them. I sure am f***ing sick and damned tired of people using the word gay as a negative. Heather, as for a slogan for this 2003: f*** you MLB, it's our turn.

wells always looked scared on the mound fogg who knows what he will turn into, if anything I guess I am not much missing either of them

but as the article says, "Foulke rebounded to post a 0.74 ERA after the All-Star break. But he didn't close again until mid-September because his replacements were lights out. Antonio Osuna and Damaso Marte combined for 21 saves in 23 chances over the season's final three months." Hard to argue with 21 of 23. Timing is everything and Foulke's timing sucked and reclaiming the closer spot was impossible with 21 out of 23 as his replacement. And thus Foulke contributed in a very positive way and that's baseball. I don't think this reflects badly on Manuel.

this has all been a wonderful exercise in group building over something that will never happen

Frank has been working on his swng all winter with Hriniak so I expect that by opening day there will be nothing wrong with his hitting.

6 hours until spring training would be nice but I think you mistyped again. Wishful thinking on my part - and how embarrassing to make the same mistake twice, and even f*** it up more the second time! who knows what is going on in my head? thank you for kind way of pointing out my, ah, stupidity

there is some sort of operating agreement between the leagues; the dude is under a contract that MLB is bound to respect. And as Jason says, future working relationships depend on abiding on the terms of the agreement. The dips*** is this Millar. Signs a contract and then wants to say never mind.

NO!!!!!, Griffey is the world's biggest b****, not one player has ever said he enjoys playing with him. f***, i wouldn't trade Carlos for Griffey NO!!!!!, Griffey is the world's biggest b****, not one player has ever said he enjoys playing with him. f***, i wouldn't trade Carlos for Griffey NO!!!!!, Griffey is the world's biggest b****, not one player has ever said he enjoys playing with him. f***, i wouldn't trade Carlos for Griffey NO!!!!!, Griffey is the world's biggest b****, not one player has ever said he enjoys playing with him. f***, i wouldn't trade Carlos for Griffey every once is a while a post comes along that says it so well, it bear repeating...

thanks for the link, that is good news to read, may it all come true!

CK, i despair of ever finding the happy mean - apu regularly does his thing in a place when he gets hit and hits back - for jb to not be here and then come in swinging bothers me - but trust me I'd be worried about anyone of any persuasion going on air if ranting political was all that was on the agenda - tony is my my friend from way back and I shared my concerns and Mike assured me it would all be baseball - again, I'd be worried about anyone of any persuasion going on air if ranting political was all that was on the agenda - hell, mike and I, you and I, differ politically, but I know when Mike is on it is all baseball, same as if/when you are on, that is all I am asking. If I were to go, it would be fair to wonder, and you'd have my word, that it would all be baseball and no political. And none of us are known for having gone on extended rants on air or off. that is my point, which I hope clarifies, which I hope it is understood that I love tony, we go back a few years and he is a good friend.

the source for the countdown http://whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/cws/hom...ws_homepage.jsp

Baggio, you got to watch John "The Hawaiian Pineapple" Matias, so what in the hell are you complaining about? The kids today can only dream of seeing players like that...