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good analysis, thanks to you and Jas for your perspectives

I can't believe there are two people you don't like! I know nothing about this Weber other than you don't like him!

Only if they toss in Ken Hill and Todd Ritchie too.

I'd do that trade

welcome to soxtalk!

Kelly KW will not hold a grudge against Kenny KW. Kelly KW has been around to know baseball is a business. Take that into account and Kelly KW's all around personality and he is going to try lights out to show Kenny KW that Kenny KW was a tad mistaken.

I missed the game. I am asking not to fight but to learn. What do you mean by that? What happened? Baseball is a game in inches. A game of postions. If PK hit a ball fair by two feet then it is a hit. If we penalize every batter whose hits are within several feet of being out, then what do we have left? Oops - that was within 2 feet of the line - foul! That fell 2 feet from the centerfielder - out! Or do I misinterpret? What happened on the play in question? Since I missed the game, please tell me what happened.

30 teams in MLB, right? So if the above is true, only 5 of 30 teams have "legitimate closers" (as described elsewhere) so perhaps the 25 other teams cannot find a "legitimate closer" among the plethora of available just-waiting-for-a-job legitimate closers out there... or... we have it about as good as it gets unless one is one of the lucky 5. I think the quote above makes an excellent point. There is no such thing as an automatic closer. And other than Gagne's once in history season - when he failed to break Thiggy's record - no one is automatic. I think our closers are ok. Not great but ok. If closing were a science, not an art, all games would be over by the 6th inning. I get as nervous as anyone when the Count of 3 and 2 is on the mound. I also think that the solutions are not as "go the store and buy one" as people think. Closers are always head cases. Thigpen lost it all almost overnight. Closers have ups and downs and meltdowns and as FlaSoxxJim pointed out somewhere today, there is a reason Rolaids sponsers the closers award. It was time for Foulke to go. He had just melted down too many times in mig games for us. He and we needed a change of scenery. I did not see tonight's game but it sounds as if Koch is regaining form. And that is good. Very good. Last year I worried whether a game was KochProof™. (I always held that it was a 10 run lead...) This year right now we can have some confidence in him and I'd rather cheer for him than see him keep being knocked,

interesting concept and I shall be consider it and be open to it, thanks - may be a shift in the old opinion here, and I always appreciate someone who shows me a new way to see things

thanks - you're cool! yeah I was a JM backer (not unqualified, I criticised plenty) especially vis a vis a lot of really unfair criticism (in my opinion) and bashing that took place. Yet, it was time for JM to go, I think - without respect to his abilities, sometimes a change needs to be made. Unless you are Connie Mack or Tommy Lasorda, all managers get fired. It was time to make a change. A side benefit is that we do see that there were problems endemic that were not JM's fault. I was not fond of Ozzie's hiring. I desparately want to be proven wrong there. Folks got too high in April. Thus the reality sets in painfully. Those of us of a certain life experience (i.e., we are old, ancient, should be shot because we take up space and breath air that young'ns could breath and we use some bandwidth best utilized by a 14 year old) remember a song, 'That's Life' as sung by Frank Sinatra: That's life, that's what all the people say. You're riding high in April, Shot down in May But I know I'm gonna change that tune, When I'm back on top, back on top in June. I said that's life, and as funny as it may seem Some people get their kicks, Stompin' on a dream But I don't let it, let it get me down, 'Cause this fine ol' world it keeps spinning around I've been a puppet, a pauper, a pirate, A poet, a pawn and a king. I've been up and down and over and out And I know one thing: Each time I find myself, flat on my face, I pick myself up and get back in the race. That's life I tell ya, I can't deny it, I thought of quitting baby, But my heart just ain't gonna buy it. And if I didn't think it was worth one single try, I'd jump right on a big bird and then I'd fly I've been a puppet, a pauper, a pirate, A poet, a pawn and a king. I've been up and down and over and out And I know one thing: Each time I find myself laying flat on my face, I just pick myself up and get back in the race That's life That's life and I can't deny it Many times I thought of cutting out But my heart won't buy it But if there's nothing shakin' come this here july I'm gonna roll myself up in a big ball and die

obviosuly we need to fire Manuel and brinbg in someone energetic - hey, I know, Cito Gaston!

hb

Adkins take it home - no save, but nice apperance and the Sox win

no announcement at the time, not that Hawk and DJ saw, so when Frank was replaced, they had to get the explanation so they decided it was a secret kick out just like on Animal House, doube secret probation

bottom of 8th Frank secretly kicked out for arguing balls and stikes Timo bats and does the 1-3 play (or was it 3-1, I wasn't looking that close) Gload (in for Lee) gone somehow, I should pay attention StJosE6-2 -9 PK 1-3 end of 8th 11-0

bottom of 8th Frank secretly kicked out for arguing balls and stikes Timo bats and does the 1-3 play (or was it 3-1, I wasn't looking that close) Gload (in for Lee) gone somehow, I should pay attention StJosE6-2 -9

bottom of 8th Frank secretly kicked out for arguing balls and stikes Timo bats and does the 1-3 play (or was it 3-1, I wasn't looking that close) Gload (in for Lee)

StJosE6 makes his second error of the game and misses a double play, missed getting anyone out but a double pay saves his ass bottom of 8th starting 11-0

gload in for lee, top of the 8th, Adkins still in for MB MB threw a 6.1 or 6.2 shut out, he was on, with some dp help, but he was his calm, collected self

bottom of 7th 11-0 Willie someone-1, out Uribe 8 AR (for Mags) 4-3

CLee 8E (2 base error) Val 8 PK =8, CLee scores 11-0 JC out, wasn't paying attention Sandy 4-3 end of 6th 11-0 Sox

bottom of 5th 9-0 Sandy -7 Willie (hitting 303, 6 SBs) W Uribe 5-6-3 (Sandy advances to 3rd) Mags =9 Sandy scores 10-0 Frank KS 10-0 end of 5

bottom of 5th 9-0 Sandy -7 Willie (hitting 303, 6 SBs) W Uribe 5-6-3 (Sandy advances to 3rd) Mags =9 Sandy scores 10-0