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I think this Tatis grand slam seals the deal on The DBacks season. Reds and Mets going down to the wire, Mets are facing an easier team. I wonder what kind of deal Zac Gallen gets this offseason. ERA up to nearly 5. Wasn't that long ago he led the NL in WHIP and posted a 2.5 ERA. His trajectory is kinda Cease-esque, good one year bad the next. Both will be interesting UFA's. Both are traditionally healthy. I wonder if they sign 1 year deals.

I asked rhetorically 'what would you have thought about the GM of the 2014 Astros at the time?" It's easy to say things with hindsight. It's semi-amusing that his 'pre-success' resume sounds a bit like Getz. I reference Stearns that the Mets are fucking garbage and Getz literally made moves that Stearns should have made to address the flaw that might keep their $340mil roster out of the playoffs. You didn't seem to address either point. I guess you can't really address the rhetorical question, but simply ponder it. But you seem very certain how 'destined to fail' the White Sox are and you don't have much basis for it. I'd love to talk more about this but I have to leave!

genuinely illiterate

bro what

The resume is irrelevant though. We can compare side-by-side the moves the guy with the "great resume", David Stearns, has made with the Mets relative to Getz with the Sox. The Mets could've kept Vasil, Orze, might've signed Houser, might've even signed Michael A Taylor instead of trading for Jose Siri and would have a better team this year. Among other moves and wasted mega-expenditures. Stearns signed Soto, right, and retained some key players because of the massive budget. Any GM could've signed Soto to that team. If the Mets acquired pitchers like the Sox did, they're not fighting for the playoffs with a $340mil payroll. The good pitchers on their team (sans rookie McClean) are from the previous front office. The resume, "the past", isn't really the question. Tony La Russa has a great resume too, he's a Hall of Famer, how'd that work out for the Sox? The point is about how past success doesn't necessarily indicate future success. The Astros had Hahn-esque, recent-Sox type teams under Ed Wade, and the MLB team immediately got worse when they hired Luhnow. The MLB team was really bad for several years under Luhnow. Do you think posters on this board would care about his resume with the Cardinals when the Astros are bottomfeeding? And yet, look how it turned out for them. Speaking of those Cardinals teams, "Luhnow's hiring initially prompted skepticism, since he had no previous experience in baseball and had not played the sport since high school. He was derided with nicknames like "the accountant" and 'Harry Potter'". Sounds like somebody we know. They won 105 games the year prior to Luhnow taking over the scouting department and not many of his draftees made MLB before being hired by the Astros. Had some MILB championships (The Barons just won their second straight). He didn't have anything to with Yadier Molina for instance. He did draft Lance Lynn who debuted prior to be hiring by the Astros. Maybe reliever, proper MLB reliever, Joe Kelly debuted during his time there. Several other 'meh' MLB players whose names I don't remember joined the team and contributed to their WS team (83 wins) in un-meaningful ways. He opened an academy in the DR (something the Sox just did). His resume is essentially that of Chris Getz the farm director with less baseball experience. The actual point being made is that it took several years for the Astros to turn into a dynasty after being a terrible team for several years. Sox fans would've been calling for his head. Hiring Mike Elias would've been even more eye-rolling. I'm not sure that Getz is either one of those guys, I just don't think the argumentation checks out. Talk about what is being done in the present day in order to build an effective organization, not their "resumes". Rookies and first year coaches don't have a resume but everybody starts somewhere. Young people in the real world wouldn't ever get hired over people with a 40 years of experience or privileged brats who attended Ivy League universities because their parents forced them to study from day 1 or did 'extracurriculars' in the third world. Talent wins out over pedigree. Or it ought to (it typically doesn't except in sports). Harder for us in the peanut gallery to analyze that in baseball executives. But the signs are there. If the signs aren't actually there as I think they are, let's talk about it. I like to analogize Chris Getz to David Stearns because it seems like a very easy argument to make that Getz would've done a better job with this Mets team. Stearns could have hired Bannister or Venable over Mendoza (not sure either one is a good manager, but one was a hot commodity). Within the Sox, the organizational deficiencies have certainly been addressed...it's just, again, too early to say if it'll actually work. Are Fauske and Bonemer good picks? Will the new Dominican academy bear fruit when the Sox haven't operated there since that one guy was convicted by the feds for stealing from children/the org? Is Marco Paddy's replacement any good? Did the new Arizona facility actually help un-bust Colson Montgomery? Will an unsheathed Mike Shirley's draft picks do anything? tl;dr: pedigree is meaningless and so is the w/l record during a rebuild

So if you're the aforementioned 2013 Astros, you'd fire Jeff Luhnow and his scouting director, Mike Elias, right? You just lost 107, 111, 92 games after all. Were those guys really bad at their job? The Astros proceeded to win 311 games over 3 seasons (104 wins average). The Orioles hired that moron scouting director for some reason, proceeded to lose 108, go 25-35 (95 loss pace), 110 games...before winning 101 and 91. I don't know how baseball fans don't realize in their many years of watching the sport the timeframe in which teams are actually built. It's true of most sports. I can appreciate the emotional component of it certainly, the mlb-PTSD wrought by JR. I could appreciate the idea that Getz and co is drafting bad players and that the minor leaguers aren't developing. The only thought is the MLB team's W/L record which is short-sighted and simply a wrong mode of analysis. This is potentially an interesting debate/discussion where I'd love to be proven wrong. But, frankly, it's genuinely too early to say anything definitively. There are positive advances that many on this board harp on that fall on deaf ears. Things the White Sox did not used to do but are doing now. The sorts of thing that modern MLB teams do. I'm not sure if the fans who pay close attention to MILB think the sky is falling. I thought it was a fascinating take that "hiring a biomechanics staff was stupid". Weren't we all calling for that sort of thing in previous years? I think it's interesting that similar voices who thought Crochet/Montgomery were busts also think losing 100 games is a meaningful indicator of future success.

1969 Mets won the World Series. 2017 Astros won the World Series Orioles probably lose 100 games 4 seasons in a row if the third season isn't shortened due to COVID (60 games played, BAL was on pace to lose 95 anyway). Soon after, they won 101 and 91 games. TBD on the Rockies and Sox. Astros and Orioles seem to be the relevant point of reference. "Losing 100 games" doesn't actually matter in the long term.

sheesh, at least get in a run down, let Quero get to second.

oh look, Gilbert walks the lefty now he has to face Stanton. Davis could've done that. grand slam incoming. or a 3 run double. bad managing.

get over it. nobody is even looking at this thread. ostensibly they are watching important baseball games at this late stage in the season that might determine who enters and does not enter the postseason (like the $340mil loser mets).

hate pulling Martin in this situation

Cal Raleigh is doing some wacky things 'for a catcher', but Judge is simply better. This might be his best season. .331 average, .457 OBP. He's got nearly 200 OPS points on Cal. At least 41 OPS+ points (we'll see how the night ends).

Oh I just watched the play. Dansby caught it by third base, then fell out of play/into the net. Threw it home and would've gotten Lindor by a mile. But both baserunners were simply given the base.

double post

sorta just glancing at this play-by-play, but how does something like this even happen? how far is Dansby ranging to catch a foul ball that runners at both 2nd and third are advancing? maybe the run scores, but how does speed demon Alonso end up at third?

Martin has been on fire after a couple of jams. The one run that scored, Teel yelled at him "let it go foul" but it was probably the right play to just take the out.

sorry I couldn't watch it. but hey, we get one last futuresox game thread out of it! Thanks, BamaDoc for always posting these threads. See ya next year.

welp, didn't see that coming... imagine throwing Michael A Taylor's HR ball back onto the field. Dumb fan.

Also the next guy up, Meidroth, is 0 for his last 13 😬

They just claimed him from Miami. Benintendi and Tauch both to the IL.

yeah, but in retrospect, unless Taylor hits a double or something, I think you'll take 1 run with the bottom of this order up against an elite pitcher.

tbh that actually seems like the play with those two guys due up and K machine Michael A up. It resulted in a run and it otherwise probably would have been zero. it's not like it's .850 OPS Perdomo bunting with 0 outs.

lol are we mad about this now

Thorpe will be back, right? I'd also bet on Shane Murphy being in the rotation to start the year. Mason Adams perhaps. Maybe some more Rule 5 magic. Ky Bush? probably not. Heck, maybe it's Schultz or Smith but I wouldn't bank on it. I'd keep going with Burke. Maybe Cannon improves a lot but I think he's donezo.

There was some discussion about Michael A Taylor's wasted money so I figured I'd post this here. https://www.mlb.com/news/jose-siri-designated-for-assignment-by-mets-tyrone-taylor-activated-from-il Mets DFA'd Jose Siri who was supposed to be their answer in CF. He barely played for the Mets but when he did, he racked up -0.5 WAR and batted .063 (.262 OPS). He's paid $700k more than MAT and the worst part is they gave up an asset for him, Eric Orze, who's pitched 41.2 innings for the Rays to a 3.02 ERA. Imagine if the Mets had Orze and Vasil out of the bullpen this season, 2 players they jettisoned for nothing. They genuinely would've been better off signing Taylor. I also might take a flyer on Siri. He has had some success and historically plays some good CF defense at the very least. Though he is a kind of a douche, got benched twice in TBR, show boats, and worst of all said the little girl who accused Wander 'pedo' Franco of child abuse was "only looking for money". Maybe f*** the guy actually.