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QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 06:36 PM) Oh lol. Well I didn't see his post. Trading Rizzo who is 3 years younger and far more proven than Park, and moving Rizzo to the OF wouldn't be a good idea because he has been pretty solid at 1B his entire career. i just got back so if your idea of the trade is wrong, that team put in a bid, what are they going to do with rizzo, again if they had won the bidding process, so this is a NL team with no DH and now they have 2 1b man in rizzo and parks. what to do???

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 07:12 PM) Speculating on a return for Q is interesting and all but I seriously doubt the Sox actually trade Q, or Sale for that matter. As is, the Sox rotation is Sale, Q, Rodon, Danks and EJ. After the front three, there's a big drop off. Danks is a number five and EJ, well, the jury is out until we see if he can sustain success in the majors. EJ created some doubt in my mind when he s*** the bed in '14, not that he cannot or will not get better, its just a wait and see approach from me, a Sox fan. My expectations of EJ are curbed. After those five the Sox have nobody ready to step in. Montas needs to be a starter at Charlotte and Fulmer needs time in the minors in '16. Honestly, the percieved pitching depth is an illusion once we look beyond the front three. IMHO, its not the position of strength people believe it to be. Now is not the time to trade starting pitching with such weak depth. The SOX need another season to see what they have in Montas/Fulmer and to give the young A/AA ball pitchers another year of development to get them closer to being MLB ready and then re-evaluate the pitching depth of the Sox organization. Next year would be be a better time to deal one of Q or Sale, but not now. Waiting another year gives Rodon more time to develop into the front line line pitcher he seems destined to become. If the Sox were to trade Q, were looking at Beck or Drabek as likely replacements. With so many holes in the lineup, the Sox aren't going to pay top dollar for any of the top FA pitchers so that would leave the Sox with looking at 2nd tier pitchers, pitchers that likely won't replace Q's production and yet could still cost even more than Q's salary. Bad idea, imo. Not only that but spending money on a FA pitcher takes money away that could be spent on hitting by FA or through trades. Pitt: I'm not against Alvarez but in all honesty I just cannot see Pitt having interest in LaRoche. I think the best we can hope for is LaRoche turns things around enough to become tradable in '16 at the deadline. maybe it is me or my mood of really being indifferent right now. but i really don't see anything really wrong with people post of Q and the northisiders. remember i would rather see and read things from some who are not followers or just being with the main crowd. now what ever my opinions are of these trade ideas, i will keep to myself. now, i really have to say this, with all honesty, you really been really thinking, not as a fan but as someone looking at this with open eyes and with the knowledge that we are dealing with the present owners, so the cost will be a factor. i am not really convince with any trade speculations from fans on any of the core of the present sp's. i see a trade of pitching prospects and maybe Hawkins, MJohnson, J May, as extra's to sweeten the pot. again this will be all dependent on who the player the sox are looking at. now with ref to Pitt, beside my crazy ass idea, i am looking at how Pitt may want to move S. Marté .... b/c of their need of of pitching help plus the emergence of Austin Meadows, plus their opinions that he may be ready for the big league next yr.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 05:47 PM) I think they have to stir up some interest to sell some tickets. Ergo Quintana goes for some "name" player. That's my current theory anyway. you may be right, but that is the sox FO short coming or low expectations of the sox fans...... meaning no faith in them for having any intelligence. regardless of the success the northside had, if the sox fo can make some really positive moves, and maybe one being a very charismatic player, the fans will come out. they should just have faith in the fans, but for f*** sake improve the f***ing team.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 04:30 PM) To be honest I think we're looking at a pretty mellow winter this time around. I doubt we see any major moves involving big names like Sale and Q. Not that the Sox won't make moves, just going to be less than what Sox fans maybe hoping for. Not trying to be a gloom and doom pessimist, just realistic in my own expectations. Given the Sox financials and that they are trying to hold onto key prospects, I think we end up seeing Asdrubal Cabrera signed to play SS and Freese signed to play 3B. No, these aren't the big names some are hoping for but they won't cost draft picks, can be signed for an affordable price and are upgrades over what the Sox currently have available for those two positions. I'm glad you mentioned the Yanks yesterday. The Yanks have no room for Gary Sanchez and the Sox could use a young catcher with an arm and power in the bat. Sanchez would be a less costly option than Norris whom SD will likely want nice prospects in return. I'd like to point out that none of these players would be my first choice, just players that can be had without costing the Sox huge money or dipping into the farm. I would expect more next year after Danks and LaRoche contracts are off the books for good. This year, I'm just trying to humble my expectations. again, you are making an excellent and reasonable post, looking at the picture that is on hand. ref to the yanks, yes that was the move and in opinion everything kind of stems from this. problem is, how many other teams will or should be competing against the sox for this trade???? many. the problem that is negative that i was reading is the has a prickly personality, but was that also said on Aj and another catcher in the 90's that did well for the sox??? now someone mention Dunn and laroche failure when being compare to Alvarez, while they made a really good point, it is not the same.... too much difference there, PA is in his last Arb yr and next yr the sox can not give him a QO, so it is a win-win deal. in addition lets look at the age, there is a big difference there. also he carries a prickly personality as well and that is why Pitt been trying to trade him. Hou was looking a a nice trade last yr with San but it fell threw. the sox can slide in and pick up where San missed. again Hou wants a Sp whether it is #1 or a #5 but they really want another Cl.... they have a lot to offer... now Stl, Lackey is a FA and so is Heyward. there pitching prospects are at least a yr away and i figure they will make a move when Heyward situation is settle. now for the immediate moves. i have been looking and i really can't see no help on the FA front so Freese is the only choice.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 04:13 PM) If Sano is in LF, that means he isn't at 1B or DH... this has nothing to do with Sano, he made a statement and i asked a counter question, he never responded. it is just he makes statements with out ever explaining why it is wrong, or his reasoning. the other part is me, i was in a great mood until i had my meeting. now everything went to the s***ter. so i am in a pissy mood now.... i am leaving today, b/c of it. i will be back when the s*** is off the stove.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 05:10 PM) Twins are attempting to try Sano in LF you never finished my question.... typical.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 03:47 PM) That's the last thing the Cubs are gonna do. and for this discussion, how would they fix the 1b situation is they win the Park contest??

QUOTE (coco1997 @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 03:29 PM) Where exactly would the Cubs play Park? Unless Epstein knows something we don't and the NL is adding the DH this season. if they win, put or play park in the spring training, if he does well, trade rizzo for some major talent or see how he does in the outfield.

WTF ..... Edm got 2 goals. what is the matter, you can't tell me, they couldn't get a dang shutout. no, that would have been too easy. and to the get that last goal with 5.1 seconds left ..... what is a hawks fan suppose to do, just settle for a win....

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 8, 2015 -> 07:54 PM) Yanks: are you thinking of Gary Sanchez? I think he's definitely obtainable from a Sox perspective. Big arm and power, just needs to work on defensive skills. Not sure what it would take to get Sanchez, Sox reliever + low level ML pitcher? Sanchez would be a cost effective solution to Flowers. I like the idea. Cards: not sure how high they are willing to go with payroll. Wouldn't surprise me if they end up in a bidding war with the cubs for Cespedes. Just my opinion but I don't think STL is going to offer what Heyward ends up commanding so STL turns their attention to Cespedes. just a guess really. Mets: wouldn't surprise me if they end up with one of Parra/ Upton, heck, maybe both. I think the Mets are fine on the IF but need help in the OF. Toronto: could see them in a possible bidding war with the Yanks for Samardzija. I think they plan to put Sanchez into the rotation to cover one of the SP holes. It's going to be fun with the GM meetings approaching but in the end I just don't see Sale, Q or Rodon going anywhere and that makes me happy. excellent ... excellent discussion. this was not a fantasy of idea and trades but an idea of what is out there, looking at the teams have in surplus and thinking of what the sox needs. those mention is or could line up with the sox .... the only problem is what will be the cost. another team i am hedging on, that is b/c what is being written is back and forth on what they intend on doing. at the trade deadline, Col was thinking of 2 more yrs and making a push, now, i get no feel of what they want.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 8, 2015 -> 07:08 PM) Any chance the Sox might be involved? There's been absolutely no noise on this, but if we're looking for ways to improve the offense without giving up a draft pick, this may be one of the best potential ways. Would obviously create a logjam at 1B/DH next year, but that would be a one year problem and we could probably move LaRoche if we ate $5M or so. I know it's very unlikely, but I'm desperate for offensive upgrades that are bigger than David Freese. and that is why i was thinking of Pitt. I read somewhere that Pitt bosses are not sure which way they will go, either pick up players and some key one and go for it, or blow up the team. the way i am looking at, the NL Central, that is going to be one tough division. you have Stl Scrubs with the talent. now Mil has it sabers rattling to make some noise in being ready to pick up some key players to make a push. so what will Pitt do??? if it is to take a yr off and let some of their prospect develop, a trade with them for laroche to 1b plus as you said, 5 mil and a sox sp prospect of danish or beck to sweeten the pot. Pitt still needs pitching and their 1 b replacement is 1 yr away, so now they will not need to rush him.

name='BlackSox13' date='Nov 8, 2015 Thing is, is that the Sox are looking for players that can help sooner than later, they won't rebuild which is what teams do when they trade for players that won't be ready for 2-3 years. If the SOX were to trade Q, there's going to be at least one MLB ready bat coming back and another not far away from being MLB ready. For example, something along the lines of Q to Houston for 3B Villanueva (MLB bat), 1B AJ Reed ( ready by '16/'17), Mark Appel ( Cooper project still with front line potential) and Joe Musgrove ( big durable ground ball pitcher the Sox would likely covet). I think this is along the lines of what the Sox might look for when listening to returns on Q. excellent - my post is based on my opinion of the depth of said teams. you are correct, the sox will want a mlb player plus. Yanks: they talk s*** every year about how they need to trim payroll and blah blah blah and yet their payroll continues going up,lol. They have said they aren't trading Bird, Severino or Judge so that pretty much takes them out of the bidding for a Sox starter. Supposedly they have expressed an interest in Samardzija which shows they, once again, are willing to spend money in the off season. no matter what the yanks are or are not saying. they have a catcher who will be mlb ready.... again i was looking at what the sox needs Mets: They have 65M in salary commitments for 2016. With their pitching so young and cheap, I think they hit FA pretty hard for at least a few hitters. They have money to burn and likely will. Plus, the Mets do not need pitching. good point, but they are very one sided in their ideas of trades. good luck mets. Toronto: IMHO, will definitely hit FA in search of pitching. Don't forget that AA was criticized for trading so many prospects this past season which probably means they cling to what they have left. yeah you are right, but again it goes back to actual cost of the fa's. STL: the Cards aren't getting a pitcher like Q without giving up a few top prospects so if what you have read is true, I believe ya, the Cards aren't trading for Q. The Cards stand at 101M for committed salary in '16 so they have money to burn and will have to if they want to keep their best prospects. exactly, but the big question mark will be Heyward and his salary, if he resigns. if he does not, how much will the cards accept from the owners to have the salary cap at a certain $$ value. that question with ref to Stl, has always bothered me, what will be the max Stl will have for a team salary. btw, very well thought out post about the what may be a very interesting couple of weeks.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 8, 2015 -> 04:42 PM) I think Houston makes the most sense for a potential trade partner. STL, Toronto and the Yanks have money to buy FA pitching. Dodgers could be interested although they have the money for FA pitching too but the Mets don't need pitching with Wheeler expected back in '16. I seriously doubt the Sox trade any one of Sale, Q or Rodon but if they did, I'd say Houston matches up very well as a trade partner. you make an excellent point. the way i was looking, i was looking at players who will be able to slid in in 2 yr or 3, so those teams i mention have a solid list of prospects who drafted college players and just need time to learn and further develop. Hou most definitely, but here is where i will differ with you.. Stl wants and according their comments i have read, they want to look at what they can trade for before they will do it in the free agency. they will not touch any of their top 5 thru 8 prospects, but they have a very strong system, now, the yanks have what for a team payroll 200 mil payroll before even the first idea of obtaining players, they want to be a little frugal until some of their high contracts comes off the books, plus for the high salaried team, how many times have they made the post season?? Mets don't have that kind of money but they are really strict in dealing and some of the prospects they have, outside the top 10..... oh well. tor needs a sp and a rp, they tasted the playoff and well, they may play.... but i am looking at prospects who can supplement the system, the key players need to come from the FA's list. nice post. screwed up on a word.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 8, 2015 -> 02:52 PM) With farm rich teams like the Cubs and RedSox being in buyer mode, it's just another good year to make them overpay and build the organization, so that the Sox can be buyers in a season or 2. The Sox are just a lot further way than an Upton and Weiters to getting into contention. Guys like Cabrera wouldn't help at all. Freese would help a lot if the team were otherwise set, which it isn't. i put up a post, something in line as your post suggestion. i thought long and hard looking at the prospects. for me, STL, HOU, TOR, even Yanks. some can make a case for Mets, Dodgers. all these teams are looking for cost control but the bold are the main one imo, really looking.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 8, 2015 -> 03:24 PM) You think there's a package that could be had for Quintana? no offense meant but let me asked this, rhetorically who would want a solid #2 weak #1 sp, who has not been injured nor has put up some 180 innings regularly and is cost control ????

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 8, 2015 -> 03:39 PM) He is bringing his resume and participation trophy from a 40 and over league he played in hoping to land a job. well at least he is still trying to get into something he love.... if that is true, i hope the best. i see nothing wrong .

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 8, 2015 -> 03:25 PM) he hasnt been suspended or banned, he can return any time he chooses furthermore, let me add, you, the mods, the admin and many loyal posters have kept this site going, thru good time and bad. my thanks for all from me for everyone hard work, esp when i thought i might get banned .....

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Nov 8, 2015 -> 03:31 PM) He will be back. He is heading down to Boca for the GM meetings this week. dang, i wish i knew this, i would have asked several questions to ask, if he could get to Hahn.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 8, 2015 -> 03:25 PM) he hasnt been suspended or banned, he can return any time he chooses you are right and i know that. i hope my post didn't give the impression that i was blaming anyone. i too took a few weeks off. that is what makes this site a great site, everyone knows that everyone has an opinion and many may not all agree but the common element is we are all sox fans. what is happening, this is the results of high expectations and really loosing faith in the sox FO. again my opinion.

for me, i will miss Caulfield, beyond this KC thing, he was a good posters and he did add to the site. this is my opinion.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 8, 2015 -> 06:36 AM) And Jason Whitlock would tell you it's because Carson made it big by conventional means (hard work) while not fighting the white man's world. Some African Americans don't like when fellow blacks get educated, lead law abiding lives, become great citizens and "play the game" to succeed. They don't like it at all. It's not me saying it, it's a black journalist named Jason Whitlock. You tell me why they won't vote for Ben besides the reason I gave. It's because he's cooperated with the white world. for me, and me only, i don't agree. i can't see what has been said. i just look at president Obama . however what might derail my opinion, the new stuff of his embellishing his past, if that is true.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2015 -> 08:35 PM) The problem is to Caulfield and a few others, the White Sox are to them what Obama is to Fox News. It doesn't matter what they do. If they do something it is automatically wrong. Just keep in mind, eceryone makes mistakes. I don't know if Hahn is a good evaluator or not, but he did get most of the credit for the Jose Quintana signing. We will see. The trades he has made so,e have been good, some bad. Most of his signings haven't worked out. Maybe a couple of them still might. But there isn't. A GM in baseball that hasn't made some moves he would like to have back. nice point.... i understand.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 7, 2015 -> 08:33 PM) No, because the hundreds of millions of dollars in difference between playoff teams in 2018 and 2019 and our current situation going into a new negotiation...if you take a terrible team that has just traded Sale/Q/Abreu/Rodon vs. the positive vibes the Cubs have going now, who get's the lion's share of the broadcast rights money? You have not only the state of the Sox to consider, but also the enhanced state of the Cubs fighting for those same media dollars. Would you fork over premium prices for the team with the lowest viewership in the majors right now as a tv exec? Why? you will need to build to become better... whether that is tearing apart the whole team or continue with adding more pieces. they can not stay as a status quo and do nothing. also they have to have someone steering the needs of the team

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 7, 2015 -> 02:16 PM) Wait, what? lol The guy that loves Gordon Beckham. The guy that said that we have one of the best OF defenses in all of baseball. Stop it. so instead of trying to disprove this particular statement and post, you are trying to disprove him completely. many on this site has made some bad calls but lets not try to dig up all those. how many have you made???

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 7, 2015 -> 05:37 AM) Not speaking in generalities about the entire board. Just the idea of judging others for their attitudes, attendance, basically all the aspects of how they follow the team...and then relating that back to blaming the fans for being stuck in a non-compete cycle because they're 1) too afraid to do a teardown and complete rebuild OR 2) too conservative/cautious to spend (let's call it investing for a future rate of return) 15-25% over budget for a couple of years and dump bad contracts in order to recoup that money 2 or 3 times over in 2019 with the negotiation for a new broadcasting rights package. So we're basically stuck in that $120-130 "dead zone" where we're not terrible but not terribly competitive either due to overall weaknesses in the farm system in terms of position player replacements. There are no easy answers if you look at the position they're in, despite many arguing last year's free agents misses and Shark wouldn't impact the future. all excellent points. the key that you are missing is the cost of diminishing return on any investment, and the players and every contract is being considered an investment.