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QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 08:52 PM) None is taken at all. I'm just saying that he's exaggerating for effect with that post, but he's not being accurate. There are many simpler explanations for failure that he is not considering. you may very well be right, i feel as i am totally out class in this debate going on. point - counter point a great debate, no anger, no cussing, no belittling, this is what a great forum is suppose to provide. not all following the leader. i am just reading and admiring the post. maybe i am being simple minded. but that is me.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 08:39 PM) Balta just said the ONLY possible explanations for the poor play of this team are radiation, disease, or bad coaching. LDF, you very much CAN think of a plausible counter. i don't know. i feel like i am in a tennis match watching 2 very good players. this discussion a fantastic and i am totally afraid of jumping in. that was me clapping from the sidelines of that tennis game. no offense is intended at any.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 08:35 PM) The only thing we have in common with the Phillies is holding onto older cores beyond their shelf life and Amaro/KW both putting their feet in their mouth occasionally. If you could prove to me today that Anderson, Hawkins, Micah, Sanchez, Montas, Danish and Adams would all fail to make it as big league regulars, trading Sale and Abreu would be the best possible solution. Of course, then you'd have to trust the same front office team not to screw up those moves...which seems even scarier to the anti-rebuild group. Assuming Eaton and Avi are both going to make it, that still leaves six other line-up slots to fill if you're going to hold onto Abreu (which also assumes that Melky Cabrera was/is done as a better than average player). That's just way too many positions to fill with our current "pushing the limits" payroll situation. Even if dealing Samardzija provides you with another above-average position player (far from a sure thing at the moment), you're five players away....so you're needing at least 3/5 of the remaining to be good to make up for the 2 that will be busts. That means a .667 success rate on trades for position prospects with just Samardzija and Alexei to deal...and let's say a trade of our struggling top minor league prospects. The best argument for holding onto everyone is Anderson becomes a stud at SS and Hawkins another Mike Stanton in the OF, allowing you to push Melky/Avi off the field to DH. And one of the four pitchers (assuming we draft another college arm, to go along with Adams/Montas/Danish) makes it. Even then, you've got three players in Melky, Avi and Abreu who should be DHing, but maybe some miracle allows the offense to overcome the defensive inadequacies. with all due respect, i don't see the comparison.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 09:26 PM) FYI for all you draftniks... on Monday, when the FS Draft Tracker goes live, we'll have a pinned Day 1 thread in PHT with the tracker in the first post and discussion added to that. It may also have links to the pre-draft coverage articles, again in the first post. There will also be a CLOSED thread, pinned in PHT or FS, with the draft picks and status, and again links to the tracker. This discussion thread will be closed when the new threads go up. many thanks for the update. i can't wait.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 09:29 PM) I'm not sure. Worst case scenario is that you can turn him into a power reliever type (aka Andrew Miller). no offense, it will be a waste of a #8 pick. a #8 for a closer where others can be used to fill in. this system has major holes that needs to be address, one of those holes is not for the pen nor closer of the future.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 08:22 PM) And when I read that..."the whole team is performing far off of their talent level"... I'm compelled to ask again, what force out there could influence an entire roster to perform below their standards? After 2 months it's not just random chance, that's nearly 2000 PAs. Either it's the water at the ballpark, something has gone terribly wrong with the plane and we're accidentally irradiating players during flights, or based on these comments the coaching staff should be in the crosshairs. Again I'm ok with that. your summations is right on. i can't think a a plausible counter.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 08:09 PM) And likely this doesn't change that, long-term. As long as he hasn't been concussed multiple times before, he'll likely be back 100% in a period of days. We still don't know the story with Anderson. many thanks for that opinion.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 08:08 PM) If Jay was still there for the Sox at #8, would they not take him just because they would prefer a right handed starter? I mean they already have Sale, Q, and Rodon long term, and I'm not sure that they'd want another lefty in the rotation. the unknown factor is, can Jay make it as a starter or not?

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 08:01 PM) We haven't even finished this LAST "start-over!" At some point, you have got to stay the course. Balta, it hasn't even been a HALF of a season yet. Melky Cabrera is not a 54 wRC+ hitter. Adam Eaton is not a 77 wRC+ hitter. Jeff Samardzija is not a 4.68 ERA pitcher. You haven't even given this roster a HALF SEASON and you're ready to clean the entire organization out. oh i want to say is, i really am not taking sides in this conversation, but you do make a point. but it is good to have a game plan for the "what if" scenario.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 07:56 PM) Ouch. i know esp when imho, he was turning the corner of a viable prospect.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 07:54 PM) I don't know the answer to this. But my answer in reply is: If it's #1, then the coaching staff needs cleaned out. If it's #2, then the people who brought in these players need cleaned out. I'm ok with either and heck, I'm ok with both. A response of "neither" means that the franchise is ok with this continued losing. you make a point, my point is, at this state, where should the finger be pointed toward. all during the past several weeks, i am ready to jump on the sox upper management fault. now i am trying to keep an even opinion. which after looking at yesterday, i am confuse to whom is at fault.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 07:27 PM) There used to be times when Walker was here, I remember a couple against Detroit, where it seemed like the whole roster came into a game with a plan. "We're all going to take a couple extra pitches and get Verlander out of here" or "We're going to wait on his fastball". I can't remember the last time I've felt like that, particularly against someone who is actually a challenge. i posted this on another thread, i will do it again. my confusion is, is it: 1. RV fault and he is out of his element 2. is it the players fault completely.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 07:09 PM) Great post South Sider. It's a stale orginization that needs new blood all throughout the system, not just at the top or bottom but the minor leagues, the roving instructors, advance scouts, the whole org top to bottom needs a thorough reboot. Hahn is only one man and at the end of the day so if RV. The structure and (don't laugh) "the White Sox way" hasn't worked for close to a decade now. It's time to broom IMO. i see this whole org from the top down is a group of complacent personnel who are just used this this and don't realize it. that is why, as i said last week, bring in someone to gauge and come in with a harsh audit. somewhere in this org, something change and again, what was the "it" that change.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 12:16 PM) And, if anything, the push to sign Abreu came mostly from Williams and Paddy on the scouting/talent evaluation side vs. Hahn's contracts/ROI/financial obligations expertise. I would love to know who pushed the most for Melky Cabrera, in particular. And who among KW, Hahn and Ventura most actively supported keeping Flowers as the starting catcher. re Jose A. i thought i read an article provided by someone on this site, that it was Williams that was so enthuse on Jose, but he called JR and told him the good news. now it was JR who came up in the contract neg. i don't remember anything on Paddy. was he involve, if so why no mention of him in this article.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 06:28 PM) Solid stuff from Jim over at SSS this morning: More at the link: http://www.southsidesox.com/2015/6/3/87175...holding-pattern nice stuff. i am looking at that i came away with 2 opinions. 1. the sox brass knows that RV is not getting it done and trying to help him along the way. 3. the sox wants to provide all they can to see which player is not getting it done, while trying to salvage this season or to decide which player to trade.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 07:05 PM) 4 games under .500 on June 3 does not end the season. With 2 WC in today's game, a .500 record on August 1 and you're in the thick of things. That means the SOX need to play 4 games over .500 the next two months. The season is over if the Sox continue to play as they have the first 50 or so games, but c'mon...these comments are just stupid. i know this conversation is not meant for me, but come on, everyone on this board has a right to voice their opinion with fear of getting belittled. btw, on the lighter side, as long you and everyone knows that i am always right.

if the bulls rebuild needs to be done, the problem will be is D. Rose contract.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 03:41 PM) That would be shortsighted. Going into the rebuild process most knew it was going to be painful and take some time to get the system to a place where it needs to be to compete. Giving up a comp pick for salary relief is counter to what has happened since RH took over, the idea should still be to build a farm system that can graduate ML talent on a regular basis and fill in the gaps through FA. They took a short cut last year in free agency to try and make the ML team more competitive in the short term, but the vision is still there. The Sox have more high end prospects (Anderson, Danish, Adams, Montas) then they have had in a long time. I don't think JR is going to pull the plug on the rebuilding effort because the results in year 3 of the rebuild are average. Hahn is going to be fine, he has a plan and so far he has done a very good job at acquiring talent. I think RV moves on at the end of the season and they bring in a more blue collar guy. i was not shortsighted in this yr, nor was i going to step back from i believe going into this season. my opinion then and now is not the point of this post. lets look at the salary contract that the sox have now. on the FA's that were signed last off season, the longest and not for my point, i will not talk about the RP's. the hitters, Melky at 3 yrs, Adam at 2 yrs. EB a 1 yr option for yr 2. hitting wise, Hahn did a wise thing with the hitters, making the assumption that the farm will be able to supplement the parent club. still the 2 hole are still there.

QUOTE (Special K @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 02:45 PM) The team is in dead last in its division and 7 games out. We have the 5th worst record in the AL. Their offense is just brutal by every measurable category. I don't see the Sox hopping the 4-5 teams it will take to make the playoffs. Sad to say, but it's June 3 and this season is already over. Would love to see if someone can dig up the stats to see how many teams in the past 5 years have made the playoffs while being in dead last at the start of June. Betting it's very few. And this Sox doesn't strike me as the "exception" to the norm. Would give this team 3 more weeks to turn it around, and then start putting some of those contingencies in place. Shark may be worth alot esp for team who need a front end pitcher in the playoff. if not, screw it, offer him a qualifying offer. if Shark takes it, good, he can help in an improve team for next yr, if not, a comp pick. all this is of course based on the rtn of the team wanting to trade for him.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 03:09 PM) Recap posted, with links to video and news story on the collision, and other information I could scrape together on it. great work and nice find on the video. too bad on may, esp when it appears to putting it all together.

QUOTE (Sox Fan In Husker Land @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 04:03 PM) Spencer Adams last 3 starts: 17 2/3 IP, 14 H, 4 BB, 13 K, 2 R, 1 HR. 1.02 ERA, 1.02 WHIP. Not bad for a 19 year old in A ball. oh yes..... talk about the surprise of last yr draft in yrs to come. i have my opinion of what number in the rotation he will be, i know i am biased. but again, what are your opinion?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 02:10 AM) Hahn will have no choice but to trade Samardzija if these keeps up, if for no other reason than payroll relief. And Rick can't think about what a comp pick is going to do in 2020. He needs to save his job, starting next season. how bout asking to start early, like tomorrow.

i guess Bos is having the same problems as the sox are in chi. http://www.nbcsports.com/mlb

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 01:25 AM) Yes, their kids are gonna starve with Latrell Sprewell's if they are fired Won't anyone think of the children?????

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 07:47 PM) oh man, do you have a link or where can i find it? hey i found the link of the actually interview.