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QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 06:35 PM) Dayton Moore is an atrocious GM who lucked into last year. That Royals team so overachieved it's not even funny at this point. Kenny has more playoff appearances and a WS title. Maybe he should write a book. That '05 team was masterfully constructed. oh i wish i can think of something funny now.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 06:28 PM) His fundamentals don't change just because he moves positions. No one would go from the worst SS in baseball, to even an average 2B. Does his ability to track the ball improve somehow at 2B? then answer me these questions 1. 2 totally different positions, 2 totally different ways of playing it, could someone be playing outside their natural position and still does well??? b/c on the flip, they could also perform bad. 2. what was his errors like the yr before when he was with the soxs???

QUOTE (AlSoxfan @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 06:31 PM) [quote name='LDF' date='Jun 1, 2015 -> 12:1 ????

QUOTE (AlSoxfan @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 06:26 PM) More if needed..I will say I'm not an Anderson believer so yes for whom I believe to be the best catcher in baseball in Lucroy wow, i was being a little snarky but i guess you may be right. that would really put the sox in a bind. then the domino effect. nhl draft. the sox draft ss-maritn or ss-newman.

QUOTE (AlSoxfan @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 06:15 PM) I'm not sure if Lucruy is available but he's 1 player I'd give a boatload to get anderson, hawkins and a minor league sp???

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 05:58 PM) Yeah, he wouldn't go from the worst SS in baseball defensively, to a good 2B. The same problems in his game would still exist. who knows, no is a sooth sayer that can see the future. there is many intangibles that will be involve, but saying this season in error will equate to if he would have been a 2nd baseman is not logical.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 06:00 PM) Funny perspective. During that stretch they were in the middle of a 10 year drought for making a playoff appearance. what during the 90's??

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 05:56 PM) I think the concern will be how much better other teams get and will the Sox match them. We have already added our impact addition in Rodon. So now we have to hope individual players continue to improve. The Sox do not have any other possible impact players coming back from injury. But the Tigers do for example. I am not convinced yet the AL Central is better than AL East. Most of the East teams look pretty even and it shows when they beat up on each other. But Yankees just took 4 out of 6 from Royals and the White Sox just played well against one of best AL teams. So teams are up and down especially as rosters are still being juggled. thinking about what you wrote, and thinking on the teams and the league, i am really getting confuse. i just have to wait and see how it plays out in the next month.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 05:08 PM) The Sox had to really suck to get Ventura and Thomas (+ McDowell and A. Fernandez.) Just like when they got Rodon and Sale. Ordonez and Lee were lucky foreign signings, and Konerko was a great pickup in a trade, but the rest are overrated by Sox fans. They traded a superior player in Bobby Bonilla to eventually end up with Lance Johnson. Durham was flawed; as was Cameron. Singleton, Rowand, and Crede were never great in a "star" sense - just solid players with poor plate discipline. that whole time it was great to be a sox fan.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 05:01 PM) The real damage wasn't even through any official sanction but all the whispers from the buscones about the unscrupulous Sox. i agree, if there would have been official punishment, this org would be set back even further.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 04:59 PM) Neither of them are that good. Bassitt isn't even on a major league roster right now, and if you think Micah Johnson was a bad defender, just wait until you see Semien's 18 errors. that will be if he would be playing ss, i am talking about 2nd base.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 04:57 PM) There is way too much tin foil in that post for me. Unless they could connect back to the higher ups in the organization, there is no point in giving them a penalty. Do teams get an additional penalty when someone tests positive for steroids? No. The penalty of suspension is enough. Same thing here. if they were involve in either the cover up or providing help, hell yeah, there would be penalties.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 04:32 PM) I listed some names last week. Lucroy and Ramirez from Milwaukee Zobrist from Oakland Possibly Prado from Miami zobrist will be a long contract to swallow and then the cost is too much.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 04:21 PM) But then that essentially means a 6-8 year rebuilding process like the Cubs/Astros/Rays and not one in half that amount of time... What has been the difference doing it this way? We've added about 1900 fans per game this season...at the cost of 6 years of cost-controlled Marcus Semien (at the very best, a net wash). If they don't trade Samardzija this season, the impact of this trade won't even be seen or felt in the organization until 2019 or 2020. In the end, the White Sox are still going to finish in the 25-30 range for attendance, so wouldn't it have been better to hold off one more offseason before blowing all their ammunition? Chicago fans are going to pay more attention to the Bears, Bulls, Blackhawks and Cubs until the Sox have a team capable of making a deep playoff run anyway. trading for Shark, well i am having mixed feelings on that. the problem is the sox went out and spent the money, i look at it being wasted money b/c someone didn't have the ability to judge the teams talent base. my biggest rant, which i have done before, why spend the money if they didn't finish the job. wasting Semien and Bassitt. but their, sox org, problem is, what to do with Danks contract and their thought that Hector will be putting up the same numbers as in last yr...

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 04:15 PM) You can bet your inheritance that this is 1 and 1A on Rick's list. since i am an old fart, and i don't have one coming, can i still think it??? i was looking at teams who may need some players / prospects for a rebuild. but the only team i can see who can be a fit is Col.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 04:14 PM) And the big thing that I have learned is that the AL Central may well be the best division in baseball. before the season, i would never have thought of that, but now.... i agree. the parity of both the al west and al east is what i am hoping is where the sox can pick up some wins.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 04:02 PM) We play in a tough division but ovrasll in the AL I think there is a petty good level of competivness. The question I asked earlier in the season is how do you judge success at the end of the season. I think making it to the playoffs is success no matyter how you do it. I think this team can do that. nice opinion, but the way the season started, i would be happy to a little run for the WC and end up with a 80+win season.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 04:13 PM) In this thread I would also offer this thought. All of this is a process. You just don't change something overnight and have it work. The Sox have gone a long way towards changing their draft philosophy over the last few years corresponding with the changes to the CBA and the draft slotting, plus there has been more money than ever put into our system by the team. You may not see the full results for the better part of a decade. A lot of making results here is sucking really badly for a long period of time. It is how KC built their system. It is how the Cubs built their system. It is how Tampa built their system, and even more indicting is that their system has pretty well dried up corresponding with the time period of having a pretty good team for a decent period of time. We have started to see some of the results already, as the White Sox farm system is as highly rated as it has been in years. We are about to put another top prospect into it at the #8 pick, and there are rumors of some pretty good signings from Latin America, not to mention some of that talent is starting to filter into the lower levels of the minors. We are getting there, slowly but surely. nice and i agree, but there is still a lot that still needs to be fixed. real nice.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 03:57 PM) They didn't "put themselves in the penalty box" as much as they lost all structure and frame work in Latin America. It takes a while to build and then rebuild a network like that. there is no way the sox org got away from any penalty b/c of Widler. there had to be a self impose penalty so they could keep it out of the media. if anyone will think that no slap on the hand or harsher penalty not coming from the MLB bosses. then they are not wanting to look at it.

i don't know, but if i am going to use my assets, esp in the minors, i would look at catchers and / 3 b man from a team. fixing that hole now will be thru FA's.

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 03:34 PM) Funny, I just opened this thread with the purpose of posting the exact same thing. and posters were talking about the nl vs al players. my question would be, what will be the cost be.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 04:25 PM) It sounded like he should be available by the middle of the series, but who knows if they will just throw him in the fire after not having played in so long and being so young. Then again, I'd be scared of the Lightning's speed vs. Timonen, so maybe TVR would be the next man up. After the game, Q's quote was "He will be fine". That's about the most detailed injury update you will get in the playoffs unless someone is 100% out for the playoffs interesting. i really doubted that he was hurt.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 03:13 PM) Then we should subtract the 2008 White Sox playoff appearance because we got lucky that Hahn's son chose heads over tails? You didn't answer the question, of course. Should Luhnow and Theo Epstein both be fired because of the record of the Astros and Cubs for the last five seasons prior to this one? The fact of the matter is that the last time the Royals had a playoff appearance was 29 years prior to that...the White Sox had a "playoff caliber" (and Top 10-12 MLB payroll) team as recently as 2012, and then proceeded to one of the worst two-year performance records in team history to follow that up. Yet in the middle of that stretch you just brought up, the team president of the Royals gave Moore a contract extension. Is JR about to give one to Rick Hahn and we just don't know about it? Sal Perez, Yordano Ventura and K.Herrera, FA Latin American signings (Rene Francisco, came over from Braves) Jarrod Dyson, 50th round Danny Duffy, 3rd round Greg Holland, 10th round Terrance Gore, 20th round i still maintain that the sox put themselves in the penalty box for the Widler fiasco. staying away and not signing any players for x amount of yrs.

i know this is not the question. but my contention is, we as sox fans are smart and will not take any crap of an excuse from sox management.

according to hoops rumors the Bull will sign Fred today. http://www.hoopsrumors.com/