Dunt Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I don't really have any expectations for the rest of this season, so how does Hahn make this team a playoff contender next year? The pitching staff looks as good as advertised, but there are just no difference makers on offense. Free agency looks incredibly weak at C and 3B...how does Hahn make this better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) For starters, it would be nice if Melky remembers how to hit. If not, that's 5 holes potentially heading into next year. Abreu, Avi, Eaton and LaRoche will be the main guys likely. Edited May 30, 2015 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I think Wieters is a free agent. I know he's a Boras guy, but I think you got to make a run at him if you're Hahn. Otherwise, you are looking at the trade market to fix the catcher spot and there isn't much there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 We really need a hitter. Somebody that isn't afraid to choke up and play the game. We lose the pitch count battle almost every single night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 You fix the mess by having a farm system that produces Major League Baseball players. Until we have that, get used to suckiness to mediocrity. Unless you can go out and give $100 million contracts to the best free agents, the building of a consistently contending team must be done through the farm system. Â I guess my answer is simple: Fire Buddy Bell and clean house in the rest of the player development side at least the "hitting" people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted May 30, 2015 Author Share Posted May 30, 2015 Wieters would be nice, but there is 0.0% chance Jerry opens up his purse for him. I wouldn't mind them going after Wieters and Howie Kendrick. I don't think there's any chance of signing Samardzija if they do that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted May 30, 2015 Author Share Posted May 30, 2015 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ May 30, 2015 -> 05:40 PM) You fix the mess by having a farm system that produces Major League Baseball players. Until we have that, get used to suckiness to mediocrity. Unless you can go out and give $100 million contracts to the best free agents, the building of a consistently contending team must be done through the farm system. I guess my answer is simple: Fire Buddy Bell and clean house in the rest of the player development side at least the "hitting" people.  They appear to have no interest in firing Bell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ May 30, 2015 -> 10:40 PM) You fix the mess by having a farm system that produces Major League Baseball players. Until we have that, get used to suckiness to mediocrity. Unless you can go out and give $100 million contracts to the best free agents, the building of a consistently contending team must be done through the farm system. I guess my answer is simple: Fire Buddy Bell and clean house in the rest of the player development side at least the "hitting" people.  This is the truth. Wieters is not going to make this team a contender. This team doesn't need more free agents. It needs minor league instructors capable of developing players the right way. Until that happens, the Sox will NEVER be a consistent contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Philosophically: Bring in young talent. Develop young talent Stop bringing in hitters on their downward cycle. Stop wasting scarce resources on utility level talent. Â Practically: Market Laroche, Samardzija and Alexei for good young hitters, who can also play D, regardless of position. Anyone in the bullpen is movable. The most likely is Duke. Move Danks to the pen Send Rodon to Charlotte to work on the changeup Bring up Junior Guerra. Watch Drabek and maybe bring him up if he can get his walks down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Assuming the White Sox are out of it by the trading deadline, they trade Shark for either a good young third baseman or young catcher. Duke might bring us a decent player also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ May 30, 2015 -> 05:40 PM) You fix the mess by having a farm system that produces Major League Baseball players. Until we have that, get used to suckiness to mediocrity. Unless you can go out and give $100 million contracts to the best free agents, the building of a consistently contending team must be done through the farm system. I guess my answer is simple: Fire Buddy Bell and clean house in the rest of the player development side at least the "hitting" people.  This is why trading for prospects is a dead end unless they are ready to play. How bad would Avi be if he spent more time in the farm system. I guess they don't want Rodon there either.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 who was the last hitter the sox actually drafted, groomed, and brought up that actually had sustained success at the major league level and hit over .290 for a prolonged period of time?  farm system is an epic failure  the first area in need of fixing is admitting they're failures at their jobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ May 30, 2015 -> 05:05 PM) I don't really have any expectations for the rest of this season, so how does Hahn make this team a playoff contender next year? The pitching staff looks as good as advertised, but there are just no difference makers on offense. Free agency looks incredibly weak at C and 3B...how does Hahn make this better? Â Avoid signing career NL players. My defense of LaRoche is he has to adjust to a new league of pitchers. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015  is this really a thread that will make any difference, esp with the current ownership?? we as fans always needs to see the sunny side of everything.  for starters. if there is such a thing, hire a independent expert who can really audit this team from the FO on down. really get a real perspective of this org and how it is running.  while that is taking place, trade for assets that can fill holes that will not be available in FA's rt. sacrifice this season to continue to rebuild  all those hitters who are hitting below 250, this team needs to figure out why? why?? why??? why!!!  someone philosophy in the sox org is not working, can it be change?? will it be change??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ May 30, 2015 -> 07:04 PM) Avoid signing career NL players. My defense of LaRoche is he has to adjust to a new league of pitchers. Adam LaRoche is literally doing fine. 5 HR, .800 OPS against righties, and trending up. That's what he's here to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlSoxfan Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ May 30, 2015 -> 05:04 PM) Avoid signing career NL players. My defense of LaRoche is he has to adjust to a new league of pitchers. Frank Thomas..I would guess but I really liked Crede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 If the Sox are out of it and are looking to sell, some teams that I think would be good trade partners for the Sox would be the Astros and the Blue Jays, who both want starting pitching. Â Blue Jays get Shark and cash, White Sox get Roberto Osuna and Aaron Sanchez (TBJ front office might see him as a reliever long term). Astros get Shark/White Sox get McCullers, INTL bonus slots and a comp pick. Â Â And if I am Rick Hahn I am watching the Marlins very closely, there rumblings about a fire sale coming in the not too distant future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ May 30, 2015 -> 08:02 PM) If the Sox are out of it and are looking to sell, some teams that I think would be good trade partners for the Sox would be the Astros and the Blue Jays, who both want starting pitching. Â Blue Jays get Shark and cash, White Sox get Roberto Osuna and Aaron Sanchez (TBJ front office might see him as a reliever long term). Astros get Shark/White Sox get McCullers, INTL bonus slots and a comp pick. Â Â And if I am Rick Hahn I am watching the Marlins very closely, there rumblings about a fire sale coming in the not too distant future. Would you do those deals if you were the Blue Jays or the Astros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ May 31, 2015 -> 02:08 AM) Would you do those deals if you were the Blue Jays or the Astros  last week, somewhere in the rumors page was listed as Hou looking at Shark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ May 30, 2015 -> 10:36 PM) last week, somewhere in the rumors page was listed as Hou looking at Shark. No, someone suggested that because one of their pitchers is out for the next 6 weeks. It doesn't make sense unless the White Sox lose like their next 10 games and fall back to the worst record in baseball. That pitcher will be back before the trade deadline and the White Sox aren't in a hurry to throw in the towel yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 31, 2015 -> 02:43 AM) No, someone suggested that because one of their pitchers is out for the next 6 weeks. It doesn't make sense unless the White Sox lose like their next 10 games and fall back to the worst record in baseball. That pitcher will be back before the trade deadline and the White Sox aren't in a hurry to throw in the towel yet. Â and you are right, it all depends on if, they do not improve. Â btw, i mention something like this in my org post in this thread. either way, i am not for giving up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ May 30, 2015 -> 09:08 PM) Would you do those deals if you were the Blue Jays or the Astros  If I'm the Blue Jays and Alex Anthopoulos, yes because a starting pitcher of Shark's caliber could make my team the favorite to win the division. Plus the farm in Toronto is really deep, especially on arms.  If I'm the Astros, I would stand pat but I've read in a few places that they're looking to add pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ May 31, 2015 -> 02:08 AM) Would you do those deals if you were the Blue Jays or the Astros  coming back to this one, if i was hou and Shark was avail, hell yeah, b/c the west is theirs to loose it. add Shark to that pitching group and add how their offense is doing. lastly how the other teams are performing. i think they will do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (GreenSox @ May 30, 2015 -> 10:55 PM) Practically: Market Laroche, Samardzija and Alexei for good young hitters, who can also play D, regardless of position. Anyone in the bullpen is movable. The most likely is Duke. Yes. Yes. Yes. The way Hahn fixes "this mess" as you put it, it to simply concoct a "do-over." Once again, assume you have good pitching in Sale, Rodon and Quintana so don't trade them. Do trade everybody you acquired last offseason and see if you can make the right moves this time. I disagree with those who say Shark won't bring a ton. I think we need to be the first team to make a blockbuster. Get Shark dealt SOON and bring in the haul! Trade Robertson soon and bring in the haul! These are ELITE players who are all-stars and can bring us the bacon baby! LaRoche can be moved, folks. So can Melky. So can Alexei. So can Duke. Kottaris should catch the rest of the season with Flowers. Release Soto. I do believe he can re-do the roster and should re-do it keeping the Big Three starting pitchers. Â QUOTE (WBWSF @ May 30, 2015 -> 11:01 PM) Assuming the White Sox are out of it by the trading deadline, they trade Shark for either a good young third baseman or young catcher. Duke might bring us a decent player also. Yes. Yes. Yes. Edited May 31, 2015 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 He doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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