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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 27, 2015 -> 09:53 PM) I post this mostly for the detailed payroll number. Will Siskel ‏@willsiskel 23m23 minutes ago White Sox payroll at $118,249,666 right now. A James Shields signing (let's say 24 million over four years) would bring them to $142mill. many thanks

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 27, 2015 -> 05:58 PM) It wasn't Krause's choice or idea. He was fine with the way it was. Jackson said he wanted more power or he was leaving. JR sided with Krause and let Jackson go. thanks for correcting me. here i thought it had to deal with the ego of MJ, Jackson and Krause. what also didn't help was MJ verbal jabs.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 27, 2015 -> 05:55 PM) his "scouting" of Chris Sale was embarrassing. I believe he said all of his offspeed pitches were average or below average, specifically his slider because of his rpt on Sale, or for his point of a pitcher with a slider as the #1 pitch, i was really unsure of Rodon. as i have said many times, i will depend on people who have a knowledge on things that i do not know.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 27, 2015 -> 04:35 PM) It is subjective, and that is why these conversations end up stretching for pages and pages. just for this and for fun. well that didn't stop anyone to post anything else, did it?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 27, 2015 -> 04:34 PM) I wouldn't have risked my $3 million that he would have walked away after what he did to the Sox AND a tampering accusation. Who would have touched him at that point? That tells me there is a decent chance that Ozzie doesn't quit. Instead he plays chicken with the Sox to get fired and keep him $3 million. a very good point. i never thought of that. question, could the sox have then coach lets say an AA team of theirs to fulfill the contract.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 27, 2015 -> 04:34 PM) I'll go ahead and predict the 1-15. 1. Carlos Rodon LHP 2. Tim Anderson SS 3. Francellis Montas RHP 4. Micah Johnson 2B 5. Spencer Adams RHP 6. Tyler Danish RHP 7. Courtney Hawkins OF 8. Trey Michalczewski 3B 9. Carlos Sanchez INF 10. Matt Davidson 3B 11. MIcker Adolfo OF 12. Chris Beck RHP 13. Jacob May OF 14. Clueulis Rondon SS 15. Jace Fry LHP pretty close to what or how i would have pick them.... i think the 15-30 is 100% harder to pick.

QUOTE (kevo880 @ Jan 27, 2015 -> 04:23 PM) It's too bad Nieto had to be up with the big club all last season since he is still a prospect in most people's eyes. I wonder where he would rank if he qualified. good question, you just going to have to trust the other posters.... i am not skill enuf to answer your question,

but in all, what is being discuss was strategy that was develop to make the game more exciting by implementing this different strategy. what real harm does it do???

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 27, 2015 -> 03:56 PM) The prospects that Baltimore was asking for were the type of package that gets you a superstar player. To translate it to a more transitive sense, I just replaced a couple of superstar players in there instead of the prospects, to drive home how much the Orioles were asking for. you are not going to find me or anyone counter what you are saying. you are 100% correct. but that was still what balt wanted.... i am at a lost on that demand.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 27, 2015 -> 03:59 PM) No. Remember Ozzie couldn't work under a contract that was expiring. He would have fled. Why couldn't they file tampering charges after he was gone? Granted you released him from his contract, and received some sort of compensation, but couldn't you argue that due to the tampering, it made his staying not realistic? good point, my take is the sox org wanted that situation to die and disappear

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 27, 2015 -> 03:37 PM) Interested in who you guys think should be lower or higher. The best part of the FS list is seeing how this site falls in love with certain guys (Cleluis Rondon comes to mind) and becomes really bearish on others (i.e.Chris Beck) and then comparing the outliers to the big time publications. but that is the beauty of this, we all have a opinion and no one will have 100% correct.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 27, 2015 -> 03:32 PM) That's fine. Prospect lists are more fun than fact. Hopefully Montas is healthy to pitch a full season now. and continue to develop as a starting pitcher.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 27, 2015 -> 03:35 PM) This usually happens when one side or the other gets unrealistic expectations about how much the Sox should/could/would be spending on payroll. but isn't that a subjective kind of a word. also is that the kind of blind loyalty the maybe the sox ownership wants.... not to question, not to expect anything more than what they want to field without question, just continue to spend money.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 27, 2015 -> 04:22 PM) 1. Carlos Rodon 2. Tim Anderson 3. Micah Johnson 4. Tyler Danish 5. Courtney Hawkins 6. Frank Montas 7. Spencer Adams 8. Trey Michalczewski 9. Carlos Sanchez 10. Jacob May 11. Matt Davidson 12. Micker Adolfo 13 Cleuluis Rondon 14. Chris Beck 15. Jake Peter I know Adams will be higher than Danish, but this is my list. maybe it is me, but i still see Montas as #3.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 27, 2015 -> 04:19 PM) Not directed specifically at you, but I am up in arms for the constant complaining about the team payroll being less than what people think it should be. There are a lot of very good reasons not to sign or trade for a player beyond the impact on the current season's payroll total. The team has proven time and again that they will add quite a bit of payroll in circumstances where they see value. As of right now, the 2015 payroll sits around $116 million, when back in November the consensus was that a payroll of around $100 million was a reasonable expectation. The Sox are $16M above that and people are still b****ing about not spending more money. Unless the Sox are 100% certain that they are not going to keep Samardzija beyond 2015, signing another starting pitcher to a 4+ year deal doesn't make a lot of sense because there's no guarantee he will be any help to a Sale-Samardzija-Quintana-Rodon-Adams rotation in 2016. the payroll was and has been establish by the owners. it is there right to do so. but in the same breath, do not preach b/c of lack of fans and money coming from that avenue, they could only afford X, Y, Z players. but in truth the sox had the ability to afford more, b/c of the other income that the fans didn't know. i been preaching that there is this cache of hidden revenue that the owners of the sox do want to let the fan base know. bottom line, the sox have the monetary resources to field a better team, my b**** is to finish the job you started. do not the same attitude of the 90's and field a team that may be good enuf to make the playoff.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 27, 2015 -> 03:10 PM) We aren't MLB, not sure, but we do what BA and BP do - any player any age who hasn't met rookie eligibility. excellent. i just wasn't sure.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 26, 2015 -> 06:33 PM) Would you trade Chris Sale or Jose Abreu to get him? thinking back on this, Sale and Abreu are establish.... Balt wants prospects.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 27, 2015 -> 03:08 PM) Whether or not to sign a player isn't just about this year's payroll number. Any good player is getting a multiyear deal and the decision whether or not to sign impacts payroll for several years down the road. Plus there is the consideration of how good the player might be towards the end of the deal compared to what he will be making. You have to assess the risk of being stuck with a bad contract, because when a big money player goes bad you can't really afford to release him so aside from the money the guy is eating up a roster spot. Dunn and Danks are recent examples of bad contracts but for the most part the Sox avoid getting stuck in those. and that is one of several reasons to sign or not to sign a player, if it is thru the FA rt. you are kinda of changing your tone. you were up in arms for me complaining. the other reason to look at getting a player |s| is for short term, b/c the minors are really close to start to producing. another reason to get a player is for coverage and backup in case of injury and no viable options in the minors.

doesn't mlb, when making their list, they have a 26 yrs age restriction???

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 27, 2015 -> 03:54 PM) List is up, link in pinned thread in PHT. now you tell me ....

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 27, 2015 -> 03:00 PM) This will be fun to watch people guess on. I can tell you that one of the six "other" names you listed there is in the top 15, and none of the rest made the T30 at all (though some just missed). and you guys are adding some more of the int'l signings to that list as well. i am very curious of how many from last yr mlb draft will make the list.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 27, 2015 -> 02:53 PM) I'm curious how people react to the list. When we did our voting and discussion, we felt the very top (top 6-7 or so) was strong, the next group (say 8-20-ish) was relatively weak, but the back end (20+) was very strong, all relative to a typical straight-line. Any feedback? What surprised you? i would really love to discuss this, remembering that there is always 2 sides of every opinion. some players dropping as much. i love it. i really need to see the rest. again great work.

QUOTE (Armchair Hahn @ Jan 27, 2015 -> 02:44 PM) why would we burden ourselves with the financial health of the white sox? I watch baseball to enjoy a game, not to speculate on their profits. Leave that to the 'real world'. yeah you got a point. i will rehash one of my old discussion of JR in the 90's. JR has the right to make money. this is a business but if the sox are really interested in winning it all, they are 1 or 2 player short. circa 96-2001. i kept on saying they needed a pitcher a better pitcher but i was talking up JR as being an owner. i am still saying the say thing, 1 player away, a starting pitcher. he is a business man and what he can make for the other owners fine. but do not try to deceive us, the fans by crying poor, no money coming in. b/c of the attendance the sox have a limited backroll. pure and simple lies and deceit. in other words no respect for the fans of the white sox.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 27, 2015 -> 03:39 PM) Because he didn't mind Ozzie leaving. JR has a history in believing that it's more important on how a team is built as opposed to who coaches it. The players are more important than the coach. Krause vs. Jackson. haha krause really screw the pooch on that one. i believe he just let the success go to his head. the best would have been is stay in the background. that team had too many people with egos.

as usual a great write up.... i will not say anything else, b/c i am sure many more will say better things than i can. a little tidbit. wow, some really surprises there.