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QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 31, 2005 -> 07:32 AM) Again, please describe someone who isn't murdering someone because of the punishment? There are no differences in the murder rates in states and even countries that have the death penalty and those that don't. We cannot turn back death. We can release someone from a cell down the road if our justice system makes a mistake. Can anyone here honestly say our justice system is so perfect we should use it to put someone to death? Money buys great defense. A lack of money buys a public defender who is willing to work for relatively low wages. We all know that justice can be bought. One year Nuke? Are you elminating appeals? Shouldn't we be absolutely certain we haven't made a mistake? Tex. You dont have to keep repeating to me that the death penalty in its current form is not a deterrent to anything. I agree. Its a joke. And you are also absolutely right that states and countries that do have it are no different than other states or countries with regard to murder rates. Like I said in my earlier post. To create a deterrent effect the death penalty needs to be administered in a uniform fashion for serious violent crimes ( Murder 1 , rape, etc ). That way it doesn't matter how much money a guy has, he's gonna get his appointment with ol sparky if he crosses a certain line. Additionally you need to limit the number of appeals to 2 and thats all. Most of the time death row inmates spend there is spent in frivolus appeal after frivolus appeal presenting basically the same BS argument they presented before with a minor change here and there. Im also not a fan of your "lets be sure" argument either. If you wanted to you could make the same argument for not even incarcerating them. "What if we're wrong???? We're gonna ruin this guys life." Im surprised criminal advocate groups haven't tried that line yet.

Bush really dropped the ball by nominating Miers in the first place. Its clear to all that she's little more than a hack and the appointment was viewed, I believe correctly, as a payment for years of service. Alito appears to be qualified in every respect and should have been the one picked in the first place.

QUOTE(Pauly8509CWS @ Oct 30, 2005 -> 09:14 PM) Of course, it has nothing to do with the Hawks taking 800 penalties a game and traffic infront of the net. It's all the goalie and the coach's fault... Actually that IS the coaches fault. Isin't it his job to instill discipline in these guys so they dont take stupid penalties?

QUOTE(qwerty @ Oct 27, 2005 -> 12:11 AM) I have already seen ''fans'' of the comets say they will not go to a game next season becuase of it. Wait. The WNBA has fans?! This is news to me.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Oct 30, 2005 -> 06:54 PM) I don't know if they still do this, but Wal-Mart used to make their execs share rooms on business trips to lower expenditures. How funny is that? Sounds like good business practice to me.

QUOTE(EvilMonkey @ Oct 30, 2005 -> 05:31 PM) This is good news, did you expect any replies? I know. Republicans are in power so good news is no news.

My take on the Flubbs remains the same. f*** THE CUBS!!!!!!!!!!! :fthecubs :fthecubs :fthecubs :fthecubs :fthecubs :fthecubs :fthecubs

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Oct 30, 2005 -> 01:38 PM) He had a hell of a playoff. But before we induct him into the baseball hall of fame remember he is a very very streaky hitter. As long as Cruddy hits above 240 next year and doesnt popup every other at bat that would be nice. He has been a streaky hitter his whole career, he hits 350 for a few weeks then 190 for a month. Thank god he was hot during the playoffs. Now if he hits above 260 next year, I will eat Crow. That's my biggest beef with the guy is that he gets white hot for a while at the plate but then disappears for a month at a time. Fortunately for us he got hot at the right time and it all worked out for the good. I will give him credit though because his defense, aside from a few screwups every now and then, has been solid all year round.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Oct 30, 2005 -> 01:41 PM) 6.15 an hour! Those lazy bastards. 6.15 an hour does not equal 40 grand a year. You can make jokes all you want to but the fact remains that people in those jobs get paid what they do for a reason. Its called supply and demand. There are far too much unskilled labor in this country to support high wages for them. But why let something like economic reality get in the way of a good emotional liberal cry-fest about the poor.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Oct 30, 2005 -> 01:40 PM) But there's a big difference between a radical non-state actor and a nation-state actor. They act completely differently. When one enables the other there is no difference between the 2.

QUOTE(sayitaintso @ Oct 30, 2005 -> 11:24 AM) In the minors it's much better IMO because the guys there don't have 5 million dollar contracts and a gigantic ego to go along with it. They are trying to make a name for themselves and its more exciting to me. Your statement is certainly true of Chicago hockey anyway. Nobody on that team from the top on down gives a rats ass about winning and they have the worst attendence in the leauge as a result. In the NHL overall though there still is a higher level of play. At least on most teams. Im beginning to realize that my evaluation of the quality of NHL games has been warped by watching those slugs in Blackhawks uniforms stink up the ice every time out for the last 10 years. I wont even watch them anymore though, I just read about them on Blackhawkzone.com and laugh as the posters there just shred them after every dismal performance.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Oct 30, 2005 -> 11:55 AM) And what nation-state did they represent? Oh yeah, none. They represent something far more dangerous than a nation-state. Radical Islam knows no boundaries and will use any host it can to achieve its aims. Thats why a country like Iran is so dangerous. You think for one minute that if they get their hands on a nuclear weapon that they wont transfer the technology to Al Queada or some other wacko extremist group? If you do then you are naive. That would have the effect of getting the US to pull out of the region though because as soon as a nuke goes off on American or Isreali soil the both of us will plaster the region ( especially the perpetrator ) with nukes and turn it into glass for many hundreds of years to come and then many millions of muslims well get their wish of dying for Allah.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 30, 2005 -> 06:23 AM) Could it be that drug dealers and similar already have a death sentence, gangs are a violent world and they already have gotten over the fear of dying. A rival dealer or gang could kill them at anytime as they walk down the street or sleep in their beds. Could it be that people who commit crimes of passion, killing wives, husbands, rivals etc. aren't thinking straight? Who here isn't killing someone because of the punishment? Describe to me the person who would kill someone, but they are worried about the death penalty? Gee, I'd would murder someone if it meant life in prison, but not if it meant the death penalty? As far as cost, it costs about the same to house a murderer as an embezzler. If cost is such an issue, why build prisons? Our society has decided that we would punish criminals by locking them up and punish the tax payers by making them pay for it. I feel a lot better about housing a murderer than housing a 3-time car thief for life or a hooker for 60 days. We are spending way more tax dollars housing low level drug related criminals than murderers. Murderer are a tiny drop in the bucket in the total expenses for our prison system. Once our government devalues life, the citizens do to. Texas puts to death more people than any other state, in some years, more than all the others combined. Y'all think of Texas as the safest state to live? Why hasn't the murder rate in Texas declined when once a week Ol' Sparky is fired up and frying someone? Its funny how you allude to the 3 strikes laws in your post as the 3 strikes for more minor felonies have been a huge factor in the dramatic drop in crime which has occured since the early 1990's. Indeed locking up people for a long period for multiple minor offenses has the effect of serving as a strong deterrent from committing more of those offenses, but in getting them off the streets it keeps them from graduating to far more serious crimes as happens so often with repeat offenders. Tex. With reference to the death penalty. If it was imposed in a uniform manner ( say everyone guilty of Murder 1, Rape and Child Molestation ) and the sentences were carried out swiftly ( lets say within a year at the very most ) then there would be a true deterrent effect on serious crimes.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 30, 2005 -> 06:42 AM) Just for fun, make up a budget for living on minimum wage. $5.15 per hour for 2080 hours per year (no vacation, no unpaid sick days) $10,712 per year. After taxes, let's say $850 per month. I can't believe anyone can't live on $850 per month. And with the retail and service sectors growing the quickest, and higher paying, higher skill jobs, being outsourced around the globe, we'll have more and more Americans living at this standard of living. We can't pay everybody 40 thousand a year to flip burgers and stock shelves. People want to whine about how hard it is to get by on a little money I suggest they A) do better in school and B ) Not start a family unless they can actually afford to take care of it. Additionally. Everybody thinks the service industry is nothing but a bunch of burger flippers and shelf stockers. Thats only about 20% true. It also includes........ Business and Professional services ( Think accountants and financial planners and their support staff ), Health care jobs ( Doctors, nurses and the like) , Education (Teachers) and all of the Government jobs are also lumped under that category. http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Oct 30, 2005 -> 12:41 AM) I know they will contend for the division again with us and the Indians...that's for sure Those fockers are not going anywhere. Santana is freaking too good to let that happen. I wonder how weak the pundits will think the AL central is going to be next year.

QUOTE(bighurt2719 @ Oct 30, 2005 -> 12:00 PM) ok, im not trying to push anyone's buttons, but i think it would be funny if all the people who said during the season we should trade joe crede for vinny castilla or joe randa step forward and eat some crow. i'm proud to say that i never waivered all season. let's see who's humble enough to eat crow... I was asking for a trade or Chavez a lot. Im grudgingly softening my tone about Cruddy though in light of his good performance in the playoffs.

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Oct 30, 2005 -> 02:27 AM) You really think gangbangers and drug dealers don't put their life on the line almost everyday anyways? Its really too bad more of em dont get waxed instead of the innocent who get hurt and killed in their place.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 27, 2005 -> 05:26 PM) Glad to see you trust the government to kill citizens. Equally interesting that we used Iraq's use of the death penalty as justification to take over their country. I don't trust our justice system enough to allow humans to be put to death. There have been too many mistakes both in innocent people being found guilty and guilty people going free. It isn't a deterrent, doesn't save money, doesn't bring back the victims. You know why it isin't a deterrent? Its a joke in its current form. It takes at least 7-8 years to kill someone after they've been sentenced. Thats rediculous. The appeals process needs to be drastically curtailed so vermin like the one this thread is originally about dont get to live off the taxpayers dime for all those years.

I dont care.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 12:47 PM) My thoughts exactly. And let's not throw that whole cancer crap around as I've seen for Damon and Manny. Wasn't AJ a supposed cancer? How about Everett? What the hell happened? That said, I'd pass for the reason Chisoxfn gave. We have bigger needs than another leadoff hitter. We especially dont need one that disappears in the playoffs.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,173789,00.html Nobody's talking about this so I figured I will. I wonder what the numbers will be once the reconstruction really takes effect down there.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 12:08 PM) If he ended up here I wouldn't be surprised. I would be. KW isin't that stupid.

QUOTE(Gooch#1fan @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 10:29 AM) Just a thought. What would it be like if Damon was on the white sox . If we were NOT ABLE to pick up Pauly and we let Everett go. How would the team be if we got Damon? he has speed, great single/double hitter, and can also hit the long ball and can play small ball. We can place him in right and Jermaine can play first, with Frank at DH. I think are team can hold a even larger threat with stealing bases and bunts. The outfield would be great! Although i dont want pauly to leave i would sure love to see Damon on the team. Although this is probably unlikely...its just a thought. Podzilla Gooch Damon Thomas Dye Air Rowand A.J Joe Clutch Uribe Just shoot yourself for posting that. Why on earth would we want that cancer on this team?!

Priceless. This exposes.......beyond a shadow of a doubt........what a fraud this hack really is.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Oct 28, 2005 -> 08:44 AM) Not in this lifetime. I thought they'd turn it around, at least a little, this year. THEY SUCK ASS, at least on my one game sample size. They've sucked ass ever since they let Jeremy Roenick go. Its been all downhill since then. I love to kick this team when its down. They are SOOOOOOOOOOOO deserving of it.