NUKE_CLEVELAND

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2005 -> 04:38 PM) Of course, you're forgetting 1 thing...there was no genocide in progress in Iraq. Nothing even resembling one. Are you sure about that? http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/legacyofterror.html

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2005 -> 05:24 PM) 1 thing I haven't been able to figure out about these reports: When the Heck did Napalm get classified as a chemical weapon? Or White Phosphorus for that matter.

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Nov 7, 2005 -> 04:50 PM) They were kind of born there. Good logic, chief. The reports have been that the majority of the rioters are 2nd or 3rd generation Frenchmen, not FOB's like you assumed. You're also entirely ignorant of the minoirty situation in Europe if you think the problem is limited to only France. Germany, with a huge Turkish population, is going to f***ing erupt soon if this keeps up. Same with Spain and Basque seperaists, same with the Balkans (even though they're usually just f***ed up), and many other countries. What would your grand solution to putting these rioters down? Militaristic force would only encourage more retaliation. And yes, this is quite similar to the race riots in America. Peaceful protests? Did you not read a good deal of Detroit being burned down? Or Newark? Or Watts? All of those happened before MLK's death, insinuating that, just like this, it was a tinderbox waiting to happen. You're right. I don't know a lot about the minority situation in countries aside from France and I dont recall saying it was only a problem in that one country. As for the riots we're both right. There were riots both before and after MLK's assassination. As for stopping the rioting thats going on in France right now they certainly shouldn't have waited this long to impose a curfew and I also believe that their equivalent of our National Guard should be deployed to affected areas if that hasn't been done so already and mass arrests of curfew violators should be done to get these people off the streets.

Poster child numero uno for 3 strikes laws.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Nov 7, 2005 -> 04:15 PM) I'm a lefty, but if torturing some terrorist is going to prevent a future attack then so be it.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/11/0...rror/index.html PM Howard had talked about the possibility of an attack there. I guess this is what he was alluding to.

According to media reports this violence has spread to Brussels and even into Germany. As for France itself the rioting is now pretty much a nationwide problem. Chirac better get a handle on this fast because he's going to have a full blown insurrection in his hands before much longer.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2005 -> 03:43 PM) Well, you could probably find some way to make a link through either the war on terror or the war in Iraq to it, but that'd just be a stupid diversion. This is what happens when you treat a minority like sh*t for decades. Eventually, they lash out. Aside from the headress deal have there been any peaceful demonstrations by these people to call attention to their situation?

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Nov 7, 2005 -> 03:40 PM) Right now, the only thing Saddam Hussein's lawyers need to do is read a transcript of the Senate the last two weeks to get him cleared of all charges, and to swing him right back into power. It's great!! Im not so sure about all that.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Nov 7, 2005 -> 03:37 PM) Who's going to rehabilitate the kid's life? They don't get a second chance at a childhood.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Nov 7, 2005 -> 03:37 PM) This is no joke, I'm waiting for this to turn into George Bush's fault. How long will it take? LOL! Maybe we should start a pool at 5 bucks a square. My money is on November 10th.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2005 -> 03:34 PM) Of course, the counterpoint to this is the question...how do you know that their time in prison won't rehabilitate them, to the point where they could actually build a normal life for a kid? Would you want to risk a childs future on something that tenuous?

QUOTE(mreye @ Nov 7, 2005 -> 11:25 AM) The mother is worse than the step-dad, IMO. This just makes me f***ing sick. Step 1. Take the kid(s) away. Step 2. Toss these scumbags in jail for a nice long time. People who harm children are the lowest form of life on earth.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 7, 2005 -> 02:20 PM) The Panthers official site is down, the biggest Panther fan site is down....funny stuff, this thing is outta control in popularity. First the Vikings take their little pleasure cruise and now this. The NFL is turning into a bad porno movie.

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Nov 7, 2005 -> 03:07 PM) Both radical elements of both sides do it. I'll buy that. Which is why I prefer to come here to talk politics. For the most part we can debate the issues without getting personal.

QUOTE(Iwritecode @ Nov 7, 2005 -> 11:52 AM) Keeping with the theme of the thread, I miss only having to spend $20 a week to fill up my gas tank and complaining when prices went over a dollar a gallon... I was waiting for that to come up. I remember when I was in my senior year of high school (1996) I was paying like 1.04 a gallon to fill up my tank in the SW burbs.

QUOTE(Mercy! @ Nov 7, 2005 -> 02:18 PM) My standard reply #1 to Nuke's incessant trolling (@ Post #11) My standard reply #2 to Nuke's incessant trolling (@ Post #7) Fair enough. Post 13 becomes my standard response to your shrill babble.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/11/07...iots/index.html I can't believe it took them this this long to start enforcing a curfew.

QUOTE(Mercy! @ Nov 7, 2005 -> 01:04 PM) Liberals, on the other hand, usually don’t hold themselves above everyone else, and tolerate a much more diverse community as long as adult conduct doesn’t impinge on someone else’s rights. I dont know what makes me laugh more, the fact that you of all people said it or the fact its simply not true. Hang on a second, I take that last part back as there is some truth to it. Liberals are defenitely tolerant of a wide array of viewpoints, just so long as you dont dare to hold one that is divergent from their own.

Have a good one bro!

QUOTE(Mercy! @ Nov 7, 2005 -> 12:28 AM) Nuke, from your response to Tex, it appears that not only were you not around for the ‘60’s, but you seem to lack even the most rudimentary knowledge of that period in our history when so many of our cities burned. A good place to start if you care to stop talking about “savages” and looking foolishly uneducated would be 1968. Oh, and by the way, here’s another tip: When you’re finished brushing up on recent US history, do a little checking into your world history for 1968, more specifically Paris. What do you suppose was going on back then? Yep. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Only back then, it was the students who were rioting nightly, not the “savages.” Education. It’s never too late. I know perfectly well what happened in the 60's in this country and thankfully I was not around to have seen any of it. Tex was referring to poor, disadvantaged people who weren't happy with the way the government was treating them. If YOU had any grounding in US history you would know that discrimination was not what touched off the riots of 1968 but the assassination of MLK. From everything I've read about this issue, or at least the way the media is spinning it, this is all about them living in poverty and being discriminated against by the government. When YOU'RE done brushing up on your US history you can go back to working on that attitude problem you have. On a side note, is it hard being as angry and bitter as you are? Were you abused as a child? Dropped on your head? Does your significant other treat you like dirt and you need to vent somehow? Im just curious as to what makes someone want to go online and try to claim superiority over a bunch of people they know nothing about. Additionally, if you were as intelligent as you claim to be then you wouldn't let differing viewpoints or how they're expressed, on the internet no less, get you so steamed up that you feel the need to post a bunch of shrill rantings in response.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 6, 2005 -> 11:13 PM) Just like those uppity blacks in the 1960s. They should have just gone back So now you're comparing a bunch of thugs who are rioting and committing arson to peaceful civil rights protestors? Rosa Parks didn't torch the bus when they told her to move to the back. Martin Luther King didn't burn down schools in his own neighborhood. Sorry Tex there's no comparison here. Try again. There's a word that can be accurately used to describe people who destroy things indiscriminantely. That word is savages.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Nov 6, 2005 -> 08:42 PM) i would love to of been a fly on the wall in the bathroom. I wonder if the police busted them in the restroom he probably just said keep going for another 5 minutes. I probably would have.

Any details on whether he's gonna miss any time?

QUOTE(SS Gload @ Nov 6, 2005 -> 09:19 PM) a W's a W. Agreed. If the Bears make it into the playoffs, and with this division there's no reason to think they wont, then if Orton gets his act together & Jones is back with their defense they have a chance to make a little noise.