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QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 10:58 PM) You can't possibly be that ignorant about what's meant to be demeaning and what's meant to be a legitimate question... All meant in the nicest possible way, right? You can just make your points in your posts without being a dick about it... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It wasn't meant to be demeaning at all. I don't think that was being a "dick" about it at all. Who is insulting who now? I believe that is the way you were posting. Reading half the thing and then commenting on it. THere is no other way you would have made half the statements you made.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 10:47 PM) You disagree with what? Kids werent doing stupid s*** with drugs in your high school? Well, maybe your high school experience was different than mine, but there was a couple of things that happened in the two high schools I attended(West Chicago + Batavia), and many of them involved drugs, illegal and prescription. And when you are saying Hazing isnt allowed anymore, you are agreeing with me. That sort of stuff still happened when I was in high school, and it doesnt happen anymore because kids are taking it one step further nowadays. Sorry that you dont recall your HS being like that, but we all have different experiences. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I disagree that if something was done with drugs, such as tricking someone into eating a pot brownie, and authority figures found out about it that something more than just a detention was the only thing they received. You were going to get into more trouble than just detention. I remember stuff like that and someone getting in a whole lot of trouble for peeing in someone's lemon lime gatorade. Way more than just detention or suspension. That is what I stated. In both instances the kids were expelled from school. Then again I went to a Catholic School. You came up with Ex-Lax and swirlies. That is nothing compared to what this kid did and you were comparing the two. You did so by saying they were "equally as stupid", which is hardly the case and far from the truth. Viagra was originally used and developed as a general blood-pressure lowering drug. This could have different effects on different people. I am agreeing that hazing isn't allowed anymore and for good reason. It kept on getting worse and worse. It didn't stay at the same level it was when I was in H.S. Now do you know what I am saying?

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 10:37 PM) The part where you repeatedly tell someone else they don't know what they are talking about. Do what you want man, but I don't like seeing people cross that line (where the posts become insulting to other posters), so I pointed it out. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Repeatedly? I said it once. "I really don't think you know what you are talking about. " And after I said this he said he knew what I was talking about and basically agreed that it goes on. I hardly find that an insult.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 10:33 PM) Im not condoning the action or saying that I find it funny, at all. I just think that kids were doing equally stupid things when I was that age, and were sent home with detention or suspension for it instead of sending for attorneys. When I was in HS, it was the ex-lax pranks or swirlies or freshman beat-up day(which I am fairly sure was phased out when i became a sophomore). I mean, think about it, in Dazed and Confused the main character of the movie was laughed at by his own teacher when the seniors showed up with their paddles. If that kind of stuff happens today, its hazing and jail-time. I guess I was just pointing out the differences that I noticed, and stirred up the pot as a result. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm sorry, but I disagree. I never remember anything happening with drugs, illegal, or prescription, that didn't have higher consequences than this. Ex Lax is over the counter. Hardly the same. Swirlies? That is nothing. Times have changed. Hazing is not allowed anymore. It is actually a good thing because a lot of it was getting to be very very extreme and violent. It was not like how I recalled it being in high school at all.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 10:20 PM) I agree. The discussion was going just fine when it stuck to talking about the topic at hand and not individual posters. I wasn't expecting the credibility of my opinions to be attacked by someone who clearly knows more about the subject than all of us...and isn't afraid to let us know. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Would you like to point out the insult? Please.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 10:11 PM) Are the insults really necessary? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Where is the insult?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 10:25 PM) ^^^^^^^^^^ I agree with this. But when we were in school, we never would have thought to use viagra or anything of the like. I would have spit in his drink. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You would have spit? WTF?!?! Jesus f***ing christ dude.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 06:13 PM) Oh absolutley. I agree with you 100%. Back when I was that age, I think we would have use gum or dirt or something of that matter. I believe parents these days want their kids to be extra safe, but do not take the time to actually raise their kids and make sure the kids can be safe themselves. Coming from a psych backround, I believe alot of the problems in kids today is due to nurturing and parenting. IMO <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You would put dirt or chewed gum in someone's drink? WTF?!?!?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 05:15 PM) Yes, as well it should. Of course the parents of the children are at blame as well. You should be in touch with your kids to know if something is bothering them to the point where they are thinking about shooting other kids. Also, where did these kids get the guns? Adults pick on other adults in the workplace, on this board, on the street. Its something they are going to have to deal with through their childhood, in HS, in college, in life. Its the way of human beings to establish dominance in a social setting. We all went through it, and none of us shot and anyone, or got shot at. I think that people are overreacting at a few isolated incidents. I feel for parents who have to worry about crazy kids and their neglegent parents however, and this is not an attack in any way. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Adults pick on other adults at your workplace? That seems kind of strange to me. I mean playing around with someone as long as you can take it when it comes back at you is fine. If you are putting things such as drugs in your coworkers drinks then I think you will be in some trouble.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 02:05 PM) Im curious where people stand on this sort of situation. When I was in school, this would be considered a harmless prank. Nowadays, its gonna be something like distributing pharmaceutical drugs without a license. Where do you stand? Harmless Prank or Inexcusable idea that needs to be punished? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This doesn't seem harmless to me. Putting toothpaste in the soda is harmless. Putting hot sauce in the soda is harmless. Putting Viagra or any other drug in the soda is not harmless.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 10:05 PM) I have read the whole thing and have read every point that you've made. If I've disagreed, I've said it. When someone disagrees, it doesn't mean they're not listening. So tell me how it is that you don't think I know what I'm talking about, although it's funny when having a discussion with someone who clearly thinks they know more than you. I've yet to make those sorts of comments about anyone who has posted in this thread. I'm well aware of the goings-on that you speak of, along with what goes on in many factories in Chicago. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If you are well aware of it then you wouldn't make such comments that "family can only do so much" or disagree with it. That is why I don't think you know what you are talking about. You haven't said you don't agree with something, you just ignore it and state somethign else. The things you have stated make it seem like you don't know what you are talking about.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 09:48 PM) Walmart got caught using illegal immigrants last year. In the settlement with the Feds, the feds agreed that they would perform no more surprise inspections looking for illegal immigrants...they have to give Bentonville a couple days warning before any inspection. Now I think anyone in their right mind can figure out why Walmart might want a settlement clause like that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Wow I never knew. Why would the feds agree to such a thing?

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 09:44 PM) Family only helps out so much. Nobody stays anywhere for free very long. No need to be bitter because our opinions on a subject differ. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I am not bitter at all. I just wish you would read the whole thing before commenting. It is like talking to someone who isn't even paying attention to what you are saying, they are just thinking of the next question to ask you. I really don't think you know what you are talking about. Family helps out a great deal. Say an uncle owns a dry wall company or trucking company. That uncle will pay the relative the same as all the other employees, but the relative will get paid under the table. Hell he may even make him a supervisor or such. Not to mention this uncle may be helping to provide room and board for this relative. If he doesn't then another friend of his may. Or they may be living very cheaply by renting a room in order to save and send back any money he earns to Mexico. I know a lot about how this works. I have seen it done a lot.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 09:41 PM) Actually it's almost impossible to catch them at Walmart now. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why is that? Because they have all been caught? Please explain, because I don't know what you mean. Usually the bigger the company with more people, then the easier it becomes to catch them. The easier it is that someone will end up not liking you and calling immigration on you.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 09:40 PM) So if employers are paying them good money, why run the risk? Why not pay legal citizens that money? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Friends of family. Helping them out. Some are relatives that are here legally such as an aunt or uncle helping them out. Do you just read what you want to read?

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 09:32 PM) It already is illegal to hire undocumented workers. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It is very easy to catch the workers at the hotels and walmart. It is much harder to stop the little places, the small businesses. The friends of families. How good do you believe that that law actually works anyway? The only way they usually catch them is if a co-worker gets pissed off at them and calls immigration on them.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 09:29 PM) This law is much for for the citrus grower in south Texas who knowingly goes to Brownsville and rounds up 20 Mexicians to help him pick his harvest for 1/10 the the cost, than it is for the doctor treating patients. Part of the reason so many people come here illegally is that they know they can get these jobs without going through the legal means. By making a disincentive for employers to commit an illegal activity, you go a long way towards stopping that illegal activity. The equivilent would be to arrest everyone who uses drugs, but to let all of the dealers and suppliers go, because they weren't actually using the drugs. They are still contributing to an illegal activity. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That is exactly what I was saying. However, it is not just these jobs that are being taken. It is happening right here in Chicago. Friends of family help people come over here illegally and place them with jobs with other friends. Not bad jobs at all. All under the table. Truck drivers, construction, dock workers, and dry wall workers are some that I know of. Those are not just some pennies on the dollar type of jobs. They do pretty decent, especially when you consider they have friends of family giving them a room to stay in and helping them live and they aren't paying taxes. It adds up pretty nicely.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 09:27 PM) And many use fake social security numbers and other such documents...some money does get taken out; it isn't all under-the-table. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh trust me, those are not fake. They are taking others identities, someone else's SS# is being used.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 09:19 PM) And because they are paid on the sly, they aren't protected by laws that could be helpful to them. They can be, and sometimes are, abused in various ways. Getting them into the system helps everyone involved, the workers included. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It is still to their benefit. That is why they come over here. I agree that getting them into the system or kicking them out is the way to go. I am in complete agreeance with that. I am not against the law/bill at all.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 08:38 PM) The get paid s***, for the most part. These aren't people making CEO salaries. :headshake Their contributions to the economy far outweigh whatever benefits they get. So do you people b**** about aid the U.S. gives to foreign countries as much as this? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> They get paid a lot more here than they would in Mexico. That is why they come here. A lot of them get paid the same as an American worker would if he/she was not educated. They are dock workers and truck drivers and drywall/contstruction workers. They don't get paid s***. They get paid a lot more than you think. Not all of the jobs they have are minimum wage, plus they are not getting taxed.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 08:26 PM) My bad. I just don't agree that those who are here legally along with citizens should be punished for assisting someone here illegally. The great example being used is that a doctor who assists someone here illegally will be committing a crime. Does that merit jail time? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That is one example. I think they are talking more about those that are employing them illegally. For instance employers that pay illegals under the table. I think they will be after them more so than the doctors. The doctors are just doing their job. The employers are taking advantage of the situation.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 08:26 PM) It has nothing to do with immigrants. It has everything to do with ILLEGAL activity. If the US wants to set up a guest worker program and have people here legally to work that is great. That way the immigrants are protected from being taken advantage of and ensuring their rights, and my tax dollars aren't subsidizing illegal activity and families in other countries who don't pay taxes to the US. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That is the biggest thing to me right there. A lot of illegals come here and are hired and paid under the table. They are not paying taxes or putting money into health benefits. However, they are still receiving health care and other benefits. Some are also adding on to the criminal activities in our neighborhoods. Notice I said some, not all, not most, but some.

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I have Cal -4 tonight against USC. Although I bought 3 points so it is actually Cal -1. USC matches up very poorly vs. Cal. USC likes to run a very small team out there and Cal has outrebounded them each time. The last time they played USC took a lot of 3 pointers to try to make up for the size advantage inside and lost by double digits. That is my pick for today. Yesterday I had a lot riding on Georgetown -3 and I got very lucky in that one.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Mar 9, 2006 -> 12:42 AM) Garcia is a free agent, yes? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, supposedly looking to sign with Philly.