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I'm interested in seeing what Cleveland looks like. I don't think they did bad in the trades. All a matter of how Lebron reacts. From a pure talent perspective, they upgraded in every single deal (with exception of maybe that Lakers trade). Cleveland can no longer trade the Nets 1st round pick (prior to the draft) since they don't have a pick in 2019 (and traded this year's pick to Lakers). Unless of course they get an unprotected 1st round pick back in a deal.

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 8, 2018 -> 10:49 AM) I don't get, at all, the Utah Jazz portion of these trades. I thought maybe joe Johnson's contract was still bad. Nope, it's expiring. A team like the Jazz will get the most out of Crowder for sure...but what? What on earth? I think this does show that rumor that the pelis would have dumped that first with asik for anyone was b.s. 1sts are not flying around at all, let alone ones that could be earlier than the 20s. My belief is that MLB has an over infatuation with prospects and that the moneyball undervalue concept actually applies to prospects and that if you were going to follow money ball today, prospects are the new "walk/obp" concept. In basketball, 1st round picks have never been more overvalued than today (in this era of the tank). Delusions everywhere about the true value of a pick. Teams who are smart can buy so much talent without giving up that much in the process. If the Sox were ready, in this current era of baseball, they are literally designed for the Ken Williams concept of leveraging prospets for proven talent and than using free agency to go bargain hunting on shorter term deals. Ken Williams would kill if this roster was ready (and I see the Sox taking this approach once the "roster" is ready for it). It's going to be fun.

Rose reportedly to be released and than signed by Minny (reunited with Thibbs, Buckets and Taj).

I can't really blame Ballard...I bet 95% of the time they make announcements before the deal is actually inked. It is probably standard operating procedure (once you get the "okay we are good", you move forward). Every once in a while, it will bite you. The Mcginnis one was on the Bears because they hadn't received the "okay" prior to announcing the deal...they were actually still negotiating. With McDaniels, negotations were done and he gave the go. He is still entitled to back out, etc (and he'll have to deal with those repercussions). I can't see anything wrong with what Ballard has done and I think the gesture to stick by the coaches was the right one by the Colts org.

What a coup by the Lakers. Fantastic move. Edit: Note, didn't realize it was just the Cavs pick (and not the better pick). Crazy what the Cavs are doing.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Feb 8, 2018 -> 08:58 AM) Lebron shaping his 2018-2019 roster in LA I doubt it. I presume it is Randle and Clarkson headed to Cleveland and maybe they are getting that pick. Would be a great move for the Lakers (imo).

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 8, 2018 -> 08:28 AM) They get a 2nd round swap in 2022 Yep...very minor move and unlikely to mean anything other than the slight cash savings, but I'm fine with it (as long as they don't plan on having Willie Reed around for long). Or are we about to swap out the veteran Leadership of Lopez (in a separate trade) and replace it with Reed? I really don't want to just dump Lopez.

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 8, 2018 -> 08:24 AM) Bulls trade Jameer Nelson to Detroit for C Willie Reed, who is serving a 6 day suspension for domestic violence. They sure do everything in their power to make it difficult to root for the bulls. Wasn't this just a salary dump. I presume Bulls are dumping Reed?

Prices in markets are up...but supply is not high. I can't comment on the Chicago market in particular, but in our market prices are up extensively but supply is at extremely low levels.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 03:00 PM) FWIW, I think the net result of the tax package will be the exact opposite, bringing a recession sooner. There is still some room for growth in the economy before full employment is reached, but the government dumping another $500 billion into the economy this year will make things heat up much more quickly. Basically all of the recent recessions have been triggered in part by the federal reserve overtightening once things actually begin to heat up enough to cause wage growth, so the net result of dumping in funds now through the tax cuts is going to be the Fed slamming harder on the breaks, and that is our recession trigger. So it will lead to more rapid growth in the short term, but it will also accelerate the next slowdown. I don't disagree with anything you said as I think it is consistent, especially the macro statements to what I was implying (short-term win that won't necessarily correlate to longer term gain). I do believe it extends the current cycle (vs. nothing) but that doesn't mean long-term it is a good thing. I am not comparing it to how it would perform vs. alternative tax plans either. But if they get meaningful infrastructure bills in...it will just be another thing that adds to the shorter term gains (and I very much am a proponent on infrastructure spend as a whole as it is something we drastically need to do and figure out). The key to all of my argument though is very much tied to infrastructure plans. Either way, I don't see the market blowing up in the next year. It very much could, but it isn't because it is massively overpriced. A blow up near term would be geopolitical in nature, imo.

Wow that is a disaster. There has to be more to that story. He must think Beli is resigning or something and that he's taking over the Patriots.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 01:29 PM) Whatever the excuse is, a market correction is long overdue. And honestly I would hope that today is a deadcat bounce instead of a real rally, as we are still pretty overbought to see the kind of intraday swing we saw today. I believe you couldn't be more wrong. Yes, people can point at the highs of where the market is but the fundamentals just don't support being overdue for a mass correction and for a real market correction you have to have a "driver" for such correction and if that driver is out there, I don't see it right now. Even the tax cuts, while I can debate the actual impact on them, is just another thing that will (at least temporarily) push out a recession (more so if it is combined with an infastructure proposal) . I might debate long-term implications and overall effectiveness of tax reform.

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 12:11 PM) The DOW is now up 500 pts. Makes sense to me. Markets just aren't that inflated right now and I'd bet pretty fairly that (barring a political disaster / major war / etc) that 2018 will be a year of solid growth in the markets (I didn't say gangbusters). My gut tells me another 2 years before a mild recession.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 12:23 PM) Kelly got another chance after Philadelphia I wouldn't really call his tenure in San Francisco another chance. He had no QB and was given one year before a total cleanse happened and it was immediately after the Philly thing (to where he hadn't had a chance to learn). Chip is an innovative guy who will excel at UCLA and have another shot at going to the NFL (shall he so choose).

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 10:30 AM) Ranking the NFL head-coaching hires from 1 to 6 This article has aged well..... Technically Chip Kelly and Doug Pederson won this superbowl. They run a lot of that Eagles offense (especially for Foles). Kelly's concepts were great, his ego was just too huge and he couldn't deal with the pro's. I think if he was given another shot he might excel. They got McAdoo right. I probably shouldn't say that cause I am not implying that Pederson didn't do a heck of a job cause he and his staff (and the front office) all did an awesome job in Philly. That team came together beautifully.

Lavine starting to look more explosive.

Have no reason not to like this move.

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 5, 2018 -> 08:05 AM) https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/2/5/1697...a-max-contracts A great read on how the nba could see the same downward pressures the MLB is seeing now very soon. And this could mean very good things for bulls if they got their core right, though have to say I'm starting to gulp at giving lavine a max. Lavine is getting 15-20 and the 20 is at best. Not enough money on the open market to drive up a contract bigger than that, imo. I think it will likely be somewhere in between but I could see it as low as $15. He’s going to be an RFA and Bulls are going to let him find a market. Only team I could see make a crazy bid is the Lakers and I doubt they will (cause they ultimately know Lavine is staying with the Bulls).

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 08:34 AM) John Paxson basically confirmed on 670 this morning that they won't be free agent players this offseason. They are taking their time with this rebuild. To be honest, I think Paxson knows that there is zero upside in him saying they are going to go aggressive at 2018. I think he recognizes there could be some things that open up, but the smartest thing for him and Gar to do is keep fans patient and delay expectations. If everyone thinks we are all in on 2018 and fail, there is a different perception than, we are going to be passive in 2018 and continue to collect young assets and focus on 2019. I am very pleased with how the rebuild is going thus far. That said, lots of risk remains.

We better just get it this year and be done.

QUOTE (Tony @ Feb 1, 2018 -> 05:11 PM) My understanding of the situation is that is correct Technically we can play in 2018 and would be in a very advantageous space (we are one of 4 teams to have cap space and us and the Hawks are the two teams not expected to use it...at least not currently). That means we could really go aggressive, but with Cousins injury the list of attractive free agents (outside of George & James..presuming they opt out) is just not that large. The fact that there won't be a lot of money bidding does have an advantage in the sense that it means we shouldn't have parties driving up the price on Lavine (who is going to be an interesting case since he's coming back from injury, hasn't necessarily excelled, etc). Everything so premature since he's played so few games, but if this were two years ago he'd be staring at a guaranteed max type contract and now we are probably looking at something in the 15M range (maybe as high as 20M per but I think it falls closer to 15 give or take). 2019 is going to be the year...young core has time to grow, we get another probable lottery pick next year to go with the two picks in this upcoming draft and then we make a major run at what is on paper a very strong FA group. There will be a few more teams flush with cap space so competition will be greater...most notably the Clippers who in shedding Griffin has gone all in on 2019 free agency. Will be interesting to see what happens but to me the wild card is Anthony Davis and what happens with him this off-season. I think there is a shot he is out there and if he is, I think we make a very aggressive play to get him and than from there would pivot into making a heavy push at a Lebron or Paul George to join the young core. Outside of that type of thing happening, I think we'll likely be relatively quiet.

QUOTE (Quin @ Feb 1, 2018 -> 04:12 PM) Knicks willing to include their first to shed Noah. Asik + Nelson for Noah? Or RoLo? Or just the TPE straight up? The problem with Noah (or Deng) for that matter is that there contracts aren't just next year but the year after and we need to have cap space for 2019. While I don't think our strategy is to spend big in 2018...I do think our strategy is to spend big in 2019 and with that we can't take on someone like Noah (even if we get a pick).

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 1, 2018 -> 01:35 PM) One other note - if you want to be able to have a shot at "2 max deals" this offseason, you pretty much have to move Lopez. The Bulls just added Asik...I really don't think their plan is to go big in free agency this off-season.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Feb 1, 2018 -> 12:50 PM) He hurts the tank. The biggest reason to trade him is to stockpile losses I don't agree with that logic. Moving Niko already assists in those efforts. Having strong veterans who help young players develop, learn how to win and grow and strive in this league, are very valuable. I'll miss Niko because I do think he's finally emerged as a good player but I'm glad we got a real asset for him. Albeit, odds are the player we get with the pick will never amount to being near as good as Niko...the bright side is, our existing pick should get better.

Nice trade. Hopefully Pelicans don't make playoffs and don't somehow pull a total fluke in the lottery haha.