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What did the Lakers get and what did we get from Cleveland? I'm curious. I just want to make sure no 1st rounders were harmed in the doing of these deals. By the way, I like MJD, so I will miss him, but man, major coup not having to deal Taj.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 08:16 PM) Just a reminder that no more of this bulls*** "I know a lot of people get mad when they see me sit out or whatever, but I think a lot of people don't understand that when I sit out it's not because of this year. I'm thinking about long term. I'm thinking about after I'm done with basketball. Having graduations to go to, having meetings to go to, I don't want to be in my meetings all sore. Or be at my son's graduation all sore just because of something I did in the past. I'm just learning and being smart." Wade is so anti-rose in that sense. And Rondo, punk or not, has always marked me as the kind of guy I want on my team (has a nasty streak about him). You know...this isn't the perfectly constructed roster, and I have zero delusions of a championship, but it will be fun to watch and clearly some of the young guys are going to get key roles on the bench too (Portis / Dougie / Valentine / Grant). And I'm f***ing confident next year we are landing a f***ing STUD.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 06:34 PM) Rondo has already done more recruiting in a few days than rose has in 8 years. If Rondo was as bad as Bmags claims (personality wise), Dwayne Wade wouldn't be signing here (worse yet, Rondo sure as s*** wouldn't be part of our "recruiting" pitch). And alas, here he is. Funny thing is I don't think Rondo is part of the long-term, but I think the hell that is Sacremento changed things mentally a ton for Rajon.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 06:01 PM) As dumb and pointless as itd be, Wade coming here would be oddly fun. I honestly think it'd change what players think about the Bulls. The deal for Demarcus cousins and let him Chuck threes. I absolutely think it changes the dynamic in the league. Wade is highly, highly respected and thought of. For him to come here and if he enjoys is time here, etc, next off-season, him and Buckets whispering sweet love into Lebron or Chris Paul or Blake Griffin's ear is going to sound good to those guys. The key is Wade stays healthy next year and somehow the roster / team doesn't entirely implode. Lets get a 3 or 4 seed and play well, get into the 2nd round of the playoffs, give enough good ora that free agents would know they could come and help play with some highly respected guys (Wade / Buckets) and try and take out the Warriors.

All this said, I have no idea how and what Rondo / Wade / Buckets will look like offensively. It isn't exactly the best basketball pairing / melding of skill-sets. But Rondo is a short-timer and in the grand scheme so is Wade, so I'm all for whatever gives the Bulls the best shot to find other real assets to go with Butler longer term. And hell, in the short-term, it makes for an interesting watch. And if a year from now, James teams up with Wade and Butler in Chicago (after the Cavs get spanked by the Warriors)...it will all be worth it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 05:24 PM) So the Bulls are going to trade guys to make space, and then get left at the alter again by Wade, aren't they. Well, I don't really have an issue of them moving people, etc...as long as they aren't moving long-term pieces / assets. I presume anything we do would be more contingent on things going through (and right now we are ensuring we have things in place).

I think if this happens, we'll make a deal with the Kings and let them take cap space off our hands (help them get to the floor) and in the meantime, they'll rest well knowing they won't lose their pick.

On an unrelated note, I'd prefer to keep Taj (vs. dump him) but I presume they won't be able to move our PG from the Knicks (without including picks), which means it will be MDJ and Taj that get moved. Please, whatever happens, I don't want to see us giving up a 1st round pick (I really hope we can stay away from that) to free up this space. In fact, I hope we are getting something of value (especially for Taj). I don't think we should have any issues moving Taj / MJD, however, in this scenario, the Bulls have a lot less leverage making a deal (given we are forced to have to move them and would need to move them immediately).

By the way, I never think of Woj and him knowing our front office (they generally don't like him). He might get info but I don't think it is coming from the Bulls (it used to come through Thibs...now I don't know where he'd get any data from, at least internally). So as a result, I do put that skepticism on his reports (as it means they are likely from agents / other teams / Wade's reps).

If we sign Wade, than I think the possibility of actually landing a bigger fish a year from now increases. I also think Wade helps ensure that Rondo doesn't totally ruin team chemistry.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 02:43 PM) http://www.blogabull.com/2016/7/6/12105724...hy-not#comments http://www.barstoolsports.com/chicago/upda...ht-got-delayed/ twitter.com You know, places that one could easily find if they followed the bulls. Yes, you have confirmed my point. Whiny fans who have no idea how things operate in the real world.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 02:32 PM) That would be amazing except none of those things happened today, you guys have great hypotheticals. So what exactly happened today?

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 02:26 PM) Great made-up hypothetical! I have another one. What if the Bulls were a well run organization that met with targeted free agents and weren't a PR disaster. These are fun! Dude...what made up hypothetical. What I told you is real and legitimate. You live in a world that planes never get delayed and people never end up being late. Is your only point in this that the Bulls should have lied and just said they had to reschedule vs. anything else? Either way, they aren't directly commenting on this so it would be hard for them to "control" that message. You are to the point where you want to find everything and anything to blame the Bulls for. Its fine, but I'm just telling you there is no rational point behind how far gone you've went.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 02:14 PM) You need a hug or something man, Jesus. How do we know that Wade didn't tell the Bulls he had 2 hours to meet in New York before he had to get ready for his show tomorrow AM and the Bulls couldn't make a flight/couldn't make it work so they said nah, we'll see you Thursday if you're serious? Isn't that a plausible scenario that is pretty darn reasonable? Yes, to anyone with logic it is. s*** happens...even to exec's. They could be flying the greatest plane in the world and still be grounded from flying. I'm sure the president misses things due to weather, other events, too. Sometimes stuff happens. And I'm relatively certain Wade had a select window, so unless it could happen during that time, it wasn't happening today. No harm in what the Bulls did, unless you really think they just didn't plan anything, walked to the aiport and were in shock that you can't buy tickets right there or that you don't have availability (I mean, really....really, you seriously believe that). But I'm going to guess Bmags has never been on a flight that has been delayed or better yet, been to an airport which literally had an outage and no flights were going out (chartered & commercial). I don't even know what the circumstances were, but stuff happens.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 01:51 PM) If they were serious you would think they would have gotten in the night before. I think in many cases, these meetings move quite a bit and who knows when Wade decided to tell the Bulls or ask the Bulls to meet? Hard to know since meetings get moved all the time by reporters reports, but who knows in reality what is actually happen. I do agree with you, that in general, you'd go the day before, but you could have had other business to attend, etc. In free agency a lot of stuff is volatile so things aren't going to be perfectly planned.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 01:21 PM) No, I only blame them for their actions. You have possibly 1, maybe 2 meetings like this a year. Everyone is laughing at them for this. They are either lying and adding to their horrendous reputation with agents or telling the truth and look like imbeciles. This is a competitive free agent market and making your meetings is important. Saying your flight was delayed is hysterical. Don't get me wrong, I'm very pleased they were incompetent here, they are better for it. But this probably bumps showing up at the ohare terminal with benny the bull as most LOLworthy moments in Bulls history. J Dumbass fans are laughing, most of whom know nothing about how things work in the real world. Legitimate things can and will happen. Airtravel isn't a teleport and you just get from point A to point B. Things come up and issues happen.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 11:59 AM) Yes, I'm sure they do fly to many things commercial. But when you have access to a private charter because you are part of a league that just handed out billions of dollars and have an important meeting where the likes of Pat Riley who shows up in helicopters on the beach and you have to call the recruit and be like "SORRY SOUTHWEST PUSHED BACK WE ARE TRYING TO GET A FREE VOUCHER WE MAY HAVE TO FLY TO TULSA FIRST WE REALLY VALUE YOU WEVE BEEN MAKING A POWRPOINT WHAT I CAN"T HEAR YOU WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING" Miami isn't Chicago. Weather in one place can be different than weather in another. Even if you flew a charter, you can have equipment issues, etc. It is one thing to blame the Bulls, but you have gone to this really sad extreme where everything and anything is there fault. The sky is blue...f***ing front office. If Wade was seriously considering the Bulls, he'd wait, and if he wasn't, nothing is really lost. s*** happens.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 11:48 AM) LOL are they flying commercial? I don't know if you are aware of this, but the vast majority of executives fly commercial (not sure why the Bulls wouldn't). I presume their team charter is handled by an airline as well (southwest or whomever). Now I'm sure, if things get delayed, they could try to set something else up (charter something), however, if it is weather issues, you could be screwed either way. If Wade waits around, we'll know he's potentially more serious (maybe this was more of the Bulls ploy and next we'll see a picture of Gar and Paxson riding a motorbike dumb and dumber style to New York!!!

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 11:47 AM) Iirc he is wanted a cherry pick player, play 4 on defense and have a player hang around mid court for immediate run outs after a rebound Yep and he fired a coach to put in someone who would let him supposedly run his idea (which was the most laughable idea ever). Might have worked in pee-wee, but it didn't work now.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 11:14 AM) I will not beat the dead horse that Rondo is bad because overwhelming evidence suggests that he is bad both on the court as a player and teammate. But, I can't let this stand. He was bad after the ACL in Boston, he was bad in Dallas and he was bad last year. He doesn't try on defense. He hits 50% from the free thrown. He is a bad shooter. He can't drive anymore. He's bad. Yes, he was bad as he was recovering from a very tough injury (ACL tear). Last year was the healthiest he had looked in a while and was improved and physically looked like a much better player, one who was more comfortable with his body. You act like his post ACL sample size was huge, but he has played in 170 games since he tore his ACL (essentially the equivalent of two full season's) and there were significant improvements in his game a year ago (despite the Kings being a awful situation). I don't think it is a surprise that in his first year back from a serious ACL injury (one where he came back pretty quick by all accounts as well), is an indication that he technically stinks. If he was years and years removed, okay, but he isn't. Also, if he is really bad, we aren't tied to him longer term and can kick him to the curb (and if he ruins the chemistry, we cut him or trade him elsewhere). If we signed Mozgov or Deng or gave Rondo a deal like those, I'd be furious. And really, the only deal I'd have preferred would have been the Deron deal (1yr 10M), but I don't think he was leaving Dallas. All the other examples you gave I much preferred Rondo.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 3, 2016 -> 07:46 AM) He is still 12-3 2.33 ERA. Yeah, I laugh my ass off on this, he isn't very good. I do anticipate he will have some form of drop-off. Dude pitched a ton last year (plus extended post-season run). Cubs should be smart and give him some rest.

I believe Wade's meetings with the Nuggets & Bucks are now over and he is suposed to meet with the Heat last (later today), so if he's meeting with the Bulls, you'd think we'd hear something relatively soon. That or we were never serious. KC Johnson now indicating we are in it with Wade until the end (doesn't mean we are aggressive on the pursuit, either).

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 11:06 AM) Those 2 led the Kings to big things. Michael Jordan himself wouldn't solve the Kings. They are such a mess. I know some things about that org that I won't talk about (due to who the info comes from), but man, the stories about them are insane at how dysfunctional they are (ownership / front office / coaches).

Some reports that Fred was the primary pitch-guy in landing Rondo. Whether we like Rondo or not, Fred is a pretty personable guy (who as much as I bash, I hope he actually succeeds because of how good of a dude he is and how generally likeable he is). I am rooting for him to take steps forward and I think the fact that the Bulls are changing things up is a good thing (and I think Butler was humbled a bit this past year as was Hoiberg and that the two of them will work well together). Hopefully we have Rondo bought in cause a bought in Rondo is a pretty big improvement over the Derrick Rose of last year (not saying he will be better than Rose this year or anything of the like, just saying last year, DRose was a really bad player and a downright roster killer).

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 11:00 AM) Was that on the radio? His twitter doesn't mention anything about that. I read it elsewhere that Friedell said it (think they referenced the radio).