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By the way, isn't Calderon a free agent after this year anyway, so it isn't like we added some long term deal there. Lopez is the one longer team deal we took on (Grant will be on his rookie deal) and at 4 / 54M and given where the cap is going, I don't actually think his contract will be viewed as horrifically (as it currently stands, so if the Bulls wanted to, they could move him). This deal kind of puts the Bulls in the spot they could make a run this year to sign someone big (and have good role players plus another star in Butler to surround them with) or they could potentially move these pieces to other teams and free up more space for next year if that is the strategic direction they go. I'd argue on the open market this year, Lopez would get at least the 4/ 54M offer he signed last year, if not more.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 12:48 PM) Terrible deal. Derrick may not be the warrior that would die on the court his first four years with the team, but those four years were special. He was Chicago's own carrying Jordan's legacy. Also, I'm just gonna go with Jimmy Butler is a f***ing diva. Say what you will about Derrick and his injuries, but he didn't force people off the team like it appears Jimmy Butler is doing with Rose, Noah and Thibs (though he wasn't alone on that one). I don't think Butler has done any of that. I think it is a matter of the guys that were there before Jimmy don't respect Jimmy and are all relying on their historical old guard ways. I still say Thibs is interested in bringing Butler back so I don't think there was near the disconnect believed. Pau and Butler get along great and Butler busts his but. We could use more Butler's and less Rose's as far as I'm concerned. Unfortunate cause Rose was impacted from his injuries (more mentally than physically) and unfortunately it changed who he was. Wish him the best, but now was the time. This roster just didn't work with them both here and honestly, what do we expect. Butler does need to continue to work and hone on his leadership skills though (so he isn't innocent in everything). But Butler has done that with a ton of the younger players on this franchise.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 12:43 PM) By the numbers this deal just absolutely sucks from the Bulls standpoint but it sure feels like a load off knowing the Rose era is done. It needed to be done a long time ago. I definitely think it allows them to go forward, but I wonder what their plans are to deal with Lopez and Calderon's contract. I don't know what there market is, but I'm guessing at some point they could potentially move them? I like the idea of Grant given the Bulls supposedly liked him a lot heading into the draft last year. I've said for a while, Bulls needed to move from Rose and find a PG who is a more true PG who can theoritically work with Butler and run whatever system Hoiberg truly wants to run. Rose just was such a shell of his old self and I think this move will be really good for him to get a chance to play without the prior expectations. I didn't like giving up Holliday though and this doesn't mean the Bulls don't totally blow-up and move Butler (as if they got the right deal, they could have a ton of young, cheap assets a year from now, although I think more realistically they plan on trying to get a PG and than signing someone in 2018.

Sad that it happened and I hope he does well in a new spot. I'm curious what Grant can do and clearly Calderon gives us a point guard, but my biggest concern is why we are taking on longer term payroll. This move should have been all about losing Rose. Hopefully we can spin some of the longer term contracts to ensure we are better positioned for 2018.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 10:58 AM) I'm wondering which franchise is paying the most to players who aren't on any MLB roster. The Red Sox have to be up there with Crawford, anyone else? I presume you mean the Dodgers. I think the Dodgers are near the top of the list. Angels are pretty high as well (paying Josh Hamilton, CJ Wilson)...although I guess I'm lumping in DL players vs. not on roster. Angels, between guys on the Dl and retained money (i.e., Josh Hamilton's of the world) are at ~$75M for 2016 alone. Pretty insane. Dodgers are at 109M. Red Sox are at 51M (and that includes guys like Rusney Castillo and Alan Craig who are burried in the minors).

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 09:59 AM) There is no point trading just to trade. The NBA is a superstar league, so unless you are trading to somehow acquire potential superstars, there is just no point. If it was the 1 or 2 pick and you are getting Simmons or Ingram, then trading Butler makes sense. Otherwise, what is the rush? You may as well keep your options open to trade him in the future. I guess I just see this draft as pretty risky, so I dont feel a great urge to deal the Bulls most valuable asset. Not for one asset that is a #3 pick and some role players. Makes zero sense. Butler is an all star and a player who has continued to trend upward. He also is signed to an extremely beneficial contract. There is zero reason we should move him unless it truly helps position us to be better. The proposed deals do not make us better longer-term. What we should do is clear Rose and work to find a point guard so that we can ideally see some improvement this year and than leverage the cap space next off-season.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 09:56 AM) They apparently love Kris Dunn. I guess it depends on how much. I don't think they have Brooklyn's #1 next year. Teams can;'t trade #1 picks in successive years Since they have so many picks, I think they are allowed to still make the trade. The celtics have the rights to swap picks with the Nets next year (so essentially they have the Nets pick).

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 09:34 AM) A report came out yesterday that Boston was trying to get Butler and couldn't pull it off. Marcus Smart, Crowder, and #3 and I'd make that deal. I might even do it for Bradley instead of Smart with more 1st rounders added. I'm not trading Butler unless I get the #3 plus the New Jersey unprotected 1st rounder in next years draft. I don't think Boston does it but I don't think we should trade Jimmy unless we get blown away.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 08:33 AM) This is the team I wonder about the Bulls matching up well with. With Noah seemingly leaving town, as well as Gasol, they could stand to get bigger, and the 76ers would love a real star to put around all of these kids. Philly is on the short list of realistic possibilities of where Rose could be traded to (for one of their late 1st round selections or a future selection).

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 12:07 PM) I would advise not to go on Stubhub yet. In addition to that raffle they'll do, it's underrated how many seats that theatre holds plus the amount of shows. Buying now is playing into hands of people hoping to gouge you. So what you are saying is, you should sell your tickets now and than rebuy again shortly (pays for itself).

QUOTE (shipps @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 10:33 AM) Humblebraggin Last night while at the gym I noticed these two attractive girls probably in their late 20's that kept on looking at me. I am married so I don't much find myself paying attention to girls as much anymore LOL but they kept on doing it. One of the girls smiled and I was like "Oh s***" she thinks I am really looking to check her out. Finally they come over to workout across from me all smiles and as they were about to sit down on one of the machines and one of them was whispering the other "he has a ring" and they got up and almost ran away from me. Weird moment but damn it felt good to know I still got it. LOL I almost wanted to go staright home to brag to my wife but she wouldnt believe me anyway. Sounds a lot like the moment I had this weekend...you just weren't aware that your fly was down. I was walking on father's day at an outdoor mall with my son (my wife and daughter were in another store) and I noticed that 3 straight sets of girls were all looking at me. After the 1st one, I sent a text to my wife to give her a hard time, than all of a sudden a 2nd and 3rd set of girls are giving me the eye as well. At this point I figured something must be up and I look down and my 14 month old is busting moves in the stroller to the music that is playing.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 10:00 AM) What other scenario would you propose? I see everyone always cry about not having star players, but just because we haven't gotten any in recent cycles doesn't just mean you stop trying.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 09:01 AM) Who has the leg up in the Durant sweepstakes? OKC? I would be stunned if Durant does anything other than stay in OKC for another year. Golden State is the only alternative that I see viable. Despite Stephen A Smith's ramblings of Lebron being interested in the Lakers & Heat, I don't see Lebron walking away from the championship team. I do see Lebron signing another one year deal so he can always have continual leverage on Cavs ownership to make moves and pay luxury tax, etc. It is a year from now where the Bulls need to be well positioned with a combination of cap space and talent to make a run at Westbrook and/or Durant (and I think it will be next off-season where we see Anthony Davis make a big push to exit the Pelicans).

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 09:25 AM) It has something to do with Live Nation shows or venues. Not sure why but it seems like thats the criteria. Yeah and given that I never bought anything that was LiveNation, I don't quite understand why that is my only option to be redeemed. Lousy lawyers negotiating some half assed settlement where only they get rich. One would thing if I am getting this settlement, because as a consumer I got hosed (due to some violation in laws), that I would be entitled to get back, similar type items. So if I bought sports tickets, I'd be able to get some form of sports tickets back (not saying front row seats or something, but like bleacher type seats or upper deck equivalents).

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 04:11 AM) Yeah, it's a good show. You don't have to think too hard while watching it, but it's a good story and very entertaining. As far as killing off the hot one, I have a feeling we'll see her again. Yeah...I was thinking the same thing. I think she figured it out and she might have escaped with a parachute (however, I could be wrong and maybe her flying back was her hoping to avoid the explosion). Either way, I liked those first two episodes. Was curious how they were going to create the new conflict but it looks interesting.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 08:43 AM) In the limited time I was able to see it, all I found were concerts. Was hoping for Jim Gaffigan tix, but no comedy shows on there at all. Such BS. Ticketmaster sells more things than concerts. How about plays or things like Disney on ice?

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jun 20, 2016 -> 11:42 AM) Sansa also didn't know Baelish would actually show up. She sent a request for help; that's no guarantee it will arrive. She should have told Jon about the possibility though. I don't know...she was with Baelish. I kind of had the feeling she knew they were there but since she wasn't part of the war council, etc, she strategically didn't play all her hand at that moment, since Jon wasn't respecting her opinion on Ramsey.

QUOTE (South Sider @ Jun 20, 2016 -> 09:41 AM) If Sansa delays the battle and Ramsay eventually becomes aware of the Vale army, he would instead stay in Winterfell and prepare for a siege. He was probably only so willing to meet in open battle because of his superior numbers. Sansa wanted to tell Jon about the Vale, but for some reason wanted Jon to naturally delay the battle instead of delaying because of the Vale. Perhaps it was because she didn't know if they were really coming, or maybe there really was strategy about it from Sansa's part. I hope we'll find out in the finale. Yeah. I didn't know if Sansa maybe kept it quiet because she thought Jon would overplay his hand based upon emotions (given how smart Ramsay is), so she ultimately knew she needed to in essence, play them both, to ensure Ramsay was truly defeated.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jun 20, 2016 -> 09:24 AM) The review podcast I listen to summed it up perfectly for me: it was too predictable, but being predictable is what made it so damn satisfying. I thought it was awesome. I also had no idea whether there would be some weird twist, Jon dying or Sansa dying. Who the heck knows. Really just loved the episode.

QUOTE (Nixon @ Jun 20, 2016 -> 08:51 AM) I must be in the minority, I f***ing hated that episode. 40 some minutes of Jon killing anonymous Bolton dudes. Wildlings/62 good men dying because Sansa inexplicably withheld info. Jon going for the obvious bait. I'm sure in the books Jon's going to get bailed out by the timely intervention of the Vale knights too, but at least it will be because that's as quickly as Sansa could get there. Not because she just decided to keep it to herself cause her f***ing p**** hurt. Well, remember, it isn't as if Sansa didn't try to tell Jon to wait. Yes, she didn't say she had another army, but maybe she figured quietly that her opinion wasn't being listened to so she wanted to be in a position of power herself to show, hey, you all should be listening to me.

Are there sporting events on the list?

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 08:28 AM) I hated on LeBron plenty after The Decision but looking back on it I don't understand why I did. Hell the Cavs don't win a title this year if The Decision doesn't happen anyway, so really it was the best thing that could have happened for Cleveland. The guy has been in the spotlight since he was a teenager, 99% of people would be insufferable egotistical douchebags in that scenario, and while LeBron is arrogant (and really you need to be arrogant to be the best), I agree with iamshack that's he actually pretty humble considering the circumstances. Yeah he flops and whines to the refs, but I'm struggling right now to think of a star in the NBA that doesn't do exactly the same thing. They all do it. Really happy for him and for Cleveland for finally getting that title. I still think he deserved heat for the decision but he's an incredible player and he's fun to watch and generally a pretty good and likeable dude. I was very excited he won and really the only thing that I'm bummed out is that he did the whole Miami thing as I'd like to see more of LBJ trying to be the guy as I think it is funner to watch since he had all the physical tools to be the greatest ever. Personally, I think he'll finish the second greatest ever, but who knows.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jun 20, 2016 -> 12:33 PM) Why not? Admit you made a mistake and move on. Also, for everyone who suggests "no team would take Shields," what does it say that we took him? It was a terrible move from the beginning. Nearly every move made last offseason and extending into this season has been terrible Because if Shields goes on a run of 5 or 6 solid starts, you could remove him at the deadline. It would be absolutely an awful idea to move him at this second or dump him at this second.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 20, 2016 -> 11:04 AM) Shields really isn't go for broke though is he? SD is paying him more than the White Sox. The Sox just need him to be a #4 starter. So far, obviously it looks bad, but it just is hard for me to think he can really possibly be this bad. I am sure the Sox didn't want to pay John Danks to sit at home. Same with Latos. I'm also sure they would love Erik Johnson to be pitching decently in their rotation. It wasn't happening. They probably rushed acquiring Shields. I'd imagine if he did the same thing in SD as he has done with his Sox starts, he would be even cheaper if they wanted him at all. But he can't be this bad. No one is. Hopefully he figures something out and silences his critics. We will see what happens on Thursday. We do know any Red Sox kept out of the line up isn't going to be happy with Farrell. Maybe Big Game James will shock the world and be decent. They need offense. 2 runs each game in Cleveland. I thought, or at least hoped Hahn had something up his sleeve and the offense would get a boost for that series. But scoring 2 a game isn't going get you wins, and frankly I would rather the Sox lose 13-2 than 3-2. I think Shields was pure panic by the Sox. I have said it before (and since I said it prior to him stinking I feel it is more acceptable to complain about it too, as normally I go if a deal has logic and it didn't work, I have a harder time complaining...although longer term, everyone in this biz, like any biz, is judged by the overall success not the theory behind it), but I just did not see the move as an efficient use of resources, especially for a team with the needs this franchise had (as well as the payroll constraints). It was the type of move that I could see a team with a much larger payroll doing, but totally meh move for the Sox. All the advanced stats seemed to back the eye stats that he was detiorating and I didn't like the idea of giving up two cheaps plus taking out the payroll flexibility garnered from LaRoche (given how budget conscious this franchise is). All that said, I never thought this would be a move that would horrifically blow up in the Sox face as it has to date, but I saw very little upside, with a real cost, plus I hated the idea of giving up Tatis. I also have said I think Johnson over the tenure would be a more productive player than Shields (let alone factoring in finances). Now that said, I also recognize that it didn't mean the Sox were going to turn to him and they had different needs. When I allude to go for broke, it is more in their consistent context of trying to content, even when the chips indicate they probably shouldn't. They don't know when to push / go for it vs. when to take a step back because going for it and missing can end up causing a lot more damage (and on the flipside just sucking can have its own implications too).

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