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Are there teams who need catching help? I could see a contender looking at either of our catchers and it making sense for us to move them. Not saying we get much, but we might get a AA relief arm who could be a quality reliever. Avila has a 1 WAR in limited playing time (and a great OBP) so I presume there would be some value there. Navarro is tougher, but you could still maybe take a flyer on a lower level guy with a big arm or something.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 08:58 AM) Coach K has been in awe with some quotes talking about how strong Buckets is. Evidently him and Kyrie have been very close and he's just been destroying Kryie in some one-on-one stuff too. I love Butler.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 08:49 AM) People aren't going to be able to deal with a full rebuild. Just look at the facts. 2014 was a rebuilding season, how many people complained about Konerko taking the 25th spot and ruining "roster construction"? They weren't going to win, I thought people didn't care. And many who have said this season is over are complaining Jacob Turner is starting tonight. That's what you get in a rebuild. Guys like Jacob Turner starting, for years. Reality is, I don't think the Sox are going to do that, but if they are going to try and move some guys, I think you have to move people like Robertson and still need to move one of your pitchers, cause somehow, you got to start multiplying prospects in the equation who might pan out (they all might bust too).

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 08:42 AM) I think you are pretty spot on here, especially if you've been reading between the lines of everything that has been said over the last 24-48 hrs. A lot of reassurances Sale isn't going anywhere, but you haven't really heard a thing about Q. I think Robertson and Duke leaving are no brainers, you have no use for them and can get valuable pieces back. My thoughts are if you do that, I think you have to consider Frazier as a possibility as well. Of course I'm a huge Saladino fan and want to just get him a ton of at bats.

Oh how I miss Rose and his comments. Superteam...LMAO.

QUOTE (daggins @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 04:54 PM) This is the camp I am in. Restock the larder with Sale (and others) and build the staff around Q. I am in the same boat.

Interesting to note that Hahn flat out said they aren't in the market to buy any rental players. That is much different from a year ago where we were all confused whether we would buy or sell. The overall tone seems much different and you wonder if there has been on voice who has been pushing for a different path in these meetings who might be getting more of that voice?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 11:27 AM) Pirates going after Q is my dark horse team. Have some great prospect depth, headed by nice trade chips in Glasnow and Bell. Q or Sale could be legit options for Pirates. Not often aces who have great contracts are on the market. The beauty of Sale & Q is that they might actually be more valuable to smaller market clubs who have the prospects, than say the larger market clubs who might not get as big of a "benefit" from the "discounted / surplus" contract that the players have. I.e., with the Dodgers and their payroll, the benefits of a cheap ace like Sale are not near as critical as to a team like the Pirates, etc. That isn't to say the value doesn't exist, I just think the overall benefit is greater for teams who can't hand out the major FA contracts.

QUOTE (Tony @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 10:34 AM) If I'm running things, I put an open for business sign on my door, and explore options. My gut tells me no one is going to give me the right package for Sale or Q, so I turn my focus on trading Fraizer-Robertson-Melky and see what I can do. In the off-season and at the Winter Meetings is where I really try and sell Sale and Q. The problem is of course in reality, the White Sox front office believes the fan base needs to hear they are "in it to win it" every year, yet we all know that isn't even close to being true. This is the approach I go with. I also would dangle Abreu but it might be in the clubs best interest to see if he has a stronger second half and than consider moving him (or keeping him because he can still hit). I do think the focus should be on the three guys you mentioned, plus Abreu. I also would look at Miguel Gonzalez and Shields and obviously dangle Jones and Duke. I don't think anyone is going to blow us away for Sale / Q (or give what it would take for Sox to move him) so they wait until the off-season to potentially move the additional pieces (or maybe decide they are going to wait another year and continue to develop guys from within and build around the rotation).

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 09:53 AM) Jason - Just from my point of view, I agree that we don't need to firesale ALL of our young talent, but I do think you market all of them and see if you get a great return for one. If you just trade the old vet on an expiring contract, you'll get some single-a lottery tickets. Trading 1 of our big pieces gives us a chance to really start building a wave of young talent to come up in 2 years. The crappy thing about 2013 is we really were at end of road with a lot of our talent. Peavy was an obvious piece to trade but was old and not an elite pitcher. We should have traded Alexei though I loved every game he played here. The phillies, meanwhile, damn near rebuilt their farm in one year with one trade. I already said, everyone should be on the market, with very limited exceptions, but their are certain people who I am more likely to take best available offer vs. others who if I don't get at least X, I'm not making the deal. You don't have to do it all by the end of this month, although there are some guys who we absolutely should move, imo, by the end of the month (if the club is intending to sell).

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 09:39 AM) If the plan is to rebuild, everyone is for sale in my world. If the whole team is sold and bad, you might as well move Eaton. It isn't like the plan is to be awful for 5 years. I presume if they do this, they will be looking at either major league players today and / or guys at higher levels who can contribute near term. You could do this without moving some of your big pieces to ensure you can actually be good. Eaton is still around for a while as are others. This doesn't have to be a get rid of everyone and just entirely start over, in fact, I don't know if that is what I'd propose to do. You have to pick and choose and move guys who you think you get enough absolute value for to make it worth your while. If someone makes a strong offer for Eaton, great, but Eaton is really really good, so you don't just trade for the sake of trading and Eaton absolutely can be a cornerstone guy (it isn't easy to find guys like that). Unfortunately, the Sox haven't been able to develop the non-cornerstone people who can be quality, overall players. They have quite a few really really good players but also quite a few really really lousy players.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 09:35 AM) Trading Eaton? Absolutely not. On the other hand, you'd be trading him at peak value, but I agree, given our biggest issue is a lack of quality position players, I have a hard time moving Eaton.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 09:27 AM) http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/al/chicag...dering-selling/ Says sox getting calls on Robertson, eaton and others Robertson seems like a no-brainer to move, imo.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 09:26 AM) It was Q for Seager that he was talking about To be honest, I don't think the Dodgers make that deal. I think Sale is the easier guy to get fair value for (which is an absurd amount of talent too) as I think with Q, he is just in general underappreciated.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 09:17 AM) Seems like a fair trade straight up, to be honest I can't trade Sale straight up for anyone in the game. If we move Sale, it has to be to get multiple pieces, otherwise I don't see how the deal puts us in any better spot long term. If I were going to move him, I presume a package could be built around Urias, Pederson, Jose Deleon, and at least another interesting piece (potentially Austin Barnes or something along those lines). If I was asking for Seager it would be Seager and Pederson for Sale that I'd want and even than I struggle (and I also know the Dodgers wouldn't make that deal either). By the way, in any of these deals, their is a lot of bust risk, especially given how good Chris Sale is. But if I'm making this deal, I'm asking for quite a few guys that I think can be everyday players and who have upside to be potential all stars. I don't know that you will get anyone who has potential upside to be as good as Chris Sale currently is (and assuming so is just absurd).

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 09:02 AM) Sources continue expressing doubt #WhiteSox will move Sale or Quintana. That said, #Dodgers have pieces to make overwhelming offer. @MLB https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/756143995336597505 Kershaw may be needing surgery and possibly wont be back this year. If I trade Sale or Q, Dodgers are on my short list of teams who have the talent. I do think we should be looking at moving Abreu, Frazier, Robertson, Gonzalez (I am sure someone would have interest in him give how he has pitched), Duke, and Melky. Long-term they aren't in the plans, imo, and for most of them there is some value you should get. One could argue whether you want to trade low on some of the names mentioned. Than you have guys like Lawrie, who I could move, but it isn't like he's overly pricey, etc. Nate Jones is another guy you could move, but he's signed to an affordable deal and could fit into the longer term strategy. I also view this as you don't have to move Sale / Q or you could as part of the retool. Shields could also be moved as well (4 straight quality starts), but his contract isn't a huge hinderance. The hard part is, who do you move now vs. who do you move in the off-season.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 03:11 PM) Does anyone have any idea how much cash teams get for a player of Carroll's ilk? I believe it is up to 50K. The below doesn't exactly apply, but there are a couple other spots which seem to get to a typical value of $50K for guys on the 40 man roster. 5. An Article XX-B MLB free-agent who signs a Major League contract after 11:59 PM (Eastern) on the 5th day after the final game of the World Series has an automatic "no trade" right through June 15th. The player can waive this right, but if he does he can be traded only for cash and/or player contracts with a maximum aggregate value of $50,000. Note that an Article XX-B MLB free-agent who signs a minor league contract after 11:59 PM (Eastern) on the 5th day after the final game of the World Series does NOT receive an automatic "no trade" right, even if the player is later added to the club's MLB Reserve List (40-man roster).

QUOTE (farmteam @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 05:03 PM) I liked the way it depicted the jail/prison sequences. Gritty. I wonder if they're going to entertain other specific suspects, or stick to the gray of generally wondering whether it was Nasir at all. Just watched the first episode last night...you guys undersold it. It was freaking awesome.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 07:18 AM) Is this the same writers as Eastbound and Down? I'll have to check this out. Has to be. The feel is very similar. You basically took him out of being a pitcher and into being a vice president (maybe less raunchy). I stumbled upon one episode part way in and agreed it was pretty funny, with some good potential.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 06:22 AM) I dont know why, but I love Below Deck Med Is it going on right now? It is about the only reality show I can watch these days (gotten tired of them), but the characters on below deck tend to crack my wife and I up (and I have some extra appreciation for it since they are actually working hard in the midst of it all). Note: I forgot Deadliest catch, which I'll watch anytime I'm on a flight.

Nate Silver did some analysis on the NBA draft picks and somehow projected Valentine as like the 3rd or 4th best player in terms of value over the next 5 years (I think it was 5 years). No idea what basis went into it, but thought I'd point it out. Simmons and Dunn were #1 / #2.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 06:43 AM) Anyone buying into the Blake Griffin for Niko and Taj rumors? I love Blake, but this team needs the spacing Niko brings. Seriously....we are going to not acquire Blake cause of spacing issues. I don't know what the rumors are and I see zero reason why the Clips would do this, but if their is a legit way to get Blake for a package involving Taj and Niko, it would have been done yesterday. I don't even know what sort of package we could put together that would work for the Clips. Maybe if we signed Doc's kid and than could trade him back, but that is the only way

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 02:02 PM) I don't see why. They're still not a great team. They have a bunch of assets, but unless he's willing to commit long term, Boston won't use them. Are they closer than a team like LA? Sure, but they also aren't in LA, which is where Westbrook wants to be. If Boston can get him by giving up this years top pick plus their future pick and one player, I can absolutely see why they do it as they are trying to contend now and after getting Horford they are the 2nd best team in the East, imo. The addition of Westbrook would definitely make them more interesting as well. On an unrelated note, I presume any team that gets Rus is going to make him sign an extension or they won't do the deal.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 01:17 PM) Honestly me neither. Boston Lakers. Team like Utah could pony up but doubt they could keep him. Won't be the Lakers. For the Lakers to do it, they are giving up Ingram/Russell and possibly Randle as well (maybe they keep Clarkson). At that point, I don't know what good that Lakers team even is. Their whole plan should be to surround its young players with other stars to have a good team. If all you have is Clarskon and Westbrook, you are going to be really brutal.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 01:08 PM) The internets are trading Westbrook to just about every team in the NBA the past couple of days. Its so funny to read the comments section for these made up articles as if its a real possibility for their team. Honestly, I can't see a team other than Boston landing him in a trade. I just don't see any other team giving up as much as it would take to get him, when they can sign him as a FA. I suppose the exception would be some form of a smaller market team who could potentially land him (who wouldn't otherwise be able to sign him in FA) or someone like the Clippers who have their own potentially expiring free agents they could dangle.