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Dodgers have given up good players in trades.

Jimenez has value, despite his injuries and defensive limitations. Now he did have a poor year at the plate, but was healthier than the past. Maybe he can have a normal offseason and work with some new coaches and spring board into an elite season. I think that is probably smarter than dealing him for 10 cents on the dollar. Sheets on the other hand is awful. He can't play the field and is a lousy hitter with zero upside nor does he have a track record in the minors that would make you think otherwise. And it isn't like he's a platoon beast or something that smashes right handers. This is a guy that for whatever reason has gotten massive amount of at bats despite having zero upside and limited to bad tools across the board. He is literally one of the worst players in all of baseball and somehow he has gotten a massive amount of playing time over past couple season(s). I get one season - but last year the amount of run he got for the limited upside (and pure downside given how atrocious he is in the field) was just unimaginable.

It depends - get a real high end front end and than get more players because they are older, but with upside in a deep organization and maybe you end up with a better value. One top end high end and a good amount of quality quantity. I don't know whether Dodgers would do it - but an organization like that is better prepared to do so and the Sox as thin as they are could probably benefit a ton from a trade like that in terms of really raising the tide. Kind of like the anti Burger trade. The Burger trade, on paper I get moving Burger, you might be selling high. But if you do it - you got to get multiple players, cause they basically traded for a lottery ticket with a high bust rate.

They can’t draft a new qb and keep Flus. I suppose you could punt on the qb, replace Getsy and draft Marvin Harrison after a trade down from #1 and give Flus one more year. Flus isn’t trash but he isn’t great either. I commend the team plays hard despite all the losses, but Poles had to talk to him about not using Sweat (and my guess is also for them to use Moore more). That isn’t a good sign in my mind.

They did win the turnover and time of possession battle. Had they lost - it would have been a 3rd game where they outplayed the competition materially and lost. Flus is gone at end of the year, but had they not had two epic choke jobs, they would be 6-3 in their last 9 games and trending up. Defense is certainly trending up. Sweat addition looks a hell of a lot better thus far than Claypool.

I don’t care and am fine with them winning. Defense is improving…and young players are flashing. Offense…well they will have entirely new coaches soon enough. End of the day I care about Panthers pick and the rest of the team trending up. If Bears pick at 1 and 2 great or if it is at 1 and 8 and 8 is because the team and younger players are trending right direction, great. But get the qb with the first pick and go tackle or something else. Bears aren’t getting Harrison JR cause they were never going to pick ahead of Arizona.

I would imagine Getz would like to have this deal made in advance of the winter meetings - as it kind of signals the start of what else might come, whether other retooling efforts and/or fully opening up more parts for potential sales. Maybe it is than at Winter Meetings where someone blows the Sox "socks" off for say a Robert.

I agree - maximize now. I get it - he could improve his value with a strong 1st half of the year, however, I still think he's one year off Cy Young type season and is under control for 2 years at reasonable cost. Teams will pay for his peak or close to it now given the value in the control to a contender. Well worth getting now than taking on the injury risk and potential production risk vs. maybe getting an extra 20% more return if he were to go out and totally ball out.

I really don't know what people expected. Yes, Stroud has been ridiculous this year despite limitations on that roster. Major kudos to Stroud, but lets not pretend like anyone was seeing this coming (like no one). On the inverse - Young struggling with a poor roster, not a surprise. I here people saying Panthers are doomed - they have a #1 overall pick at QB in his first year. The kid can play, albeit, his frame is small so the question is can he stand up to take the beating. I fully expect you will see Young improve in year 2 and if he is healthy he will be a good QB (I'm not saying great). The problem with Panthers is - they leveraged the farm too soon. I get selling out for a QB - but they mortgaged a lot without pieces around the QB. Although I Get it - you got to get the QB. It is basically what Bears have done forever. This upcoming draft is the first time in my lifetime that I can remember, where the team wouldn't be mortgaging anything to take a QB high (and they would also have plenty of parts around the young QB - with the only current exception being the HC). But if the Bears were to go with a QB with one of their first 2 picks, they aren't mortgaging anything, they still have another high pick for another weapon, plus have Kmet, solid running backs, solid oline (sans center), DJ Moore, and the cap space to add more weapons too.

Rick Hahn would have but I am hoping Getz wouldn’t.

Pat Williams only gets worse. Vuc and Derozan efficiency rates in the tubes. The Bulls need to clean house before they clean house. This is the absolute worse front office / coaching staff in the league. Lavine gets all the blame and some of it deservingly so, but him and Caruso are the only above average players on this team (maybe White as well). Pure crap around them all done by a pure crap front office. Need to fire everyone and let new front office make the trades. Don’t let this clown show front office anywhere near the tear down. This clowns thought running back a bad team with minimal upside young players was a good idea….two years in a row too. Pathetic losers.

I would trade #1 pick. I am not taking a wideout at 1 no matter how generational they are.

I have liked the idea of brockets and Harrison jr for a while. But with then moving down and getting a future 1st too. Don’t know if that is really possible but I think that gives any qb we have and oc a ton to work with.

I see a scenario where this happen. Fields has 3 out of his last 4 games as being above average. If he can stack another 3 out of 4 above average games, than I absolutely see a scenario where you change coaching staffs but continue to basically build up the whole rest of the roster (maybe taking a QB in 2nd round or something like that). Poles does this though he has to also get a future 1st (so move down from one of their top picks) to ensure he can play that card right. It isn't an awful move at this point. Now if Fields struggles from here on out / is mediocre, than obviously you can't go that way. But I'm not going to lie - trade down at 1 - than draft a Marvin Harrison and a Dlinemen or an LT (if Braxton Jones doesn't look good) with your other pick. FA center, maybe some more money on defense and another playmaker or two plus a slew of other picks. If you squint you can see a roster, with quality draft execution - that starts to look pretty good.

If you fire the coach - draft a QB or can stick with Fields (and punt on a QB for another year). If you don't fire the coach, than you can stick with Fields. I really don't see any scenario at this point, sans them basically winning out, where they don't make a move with Flus. I really would be all-in on Harbaugh if I were the Bears. And basically its up to Warren to decide whether Poles and Harbaugh could work together or not. If Harbaugh wanted to gauge Fields for a year while they wait on QB, fine, cause he's the type of guy that will be here for multiple years. In that case though - you need to do something similar to what Bears did this year - where you are trading one of our top picks for a future 1st (to ensure you have ammo to get a QB if who you have on roster doesn't pan out).

Good tank loss. All the main guys played well and cowardless coaches cost em plus Scott.

Congrats!!!

I was thinking the same thing.

Yeah nothing better than Fields just balling out the rest of the season.

It makes sense. They have bforttnarley need to cause there is no other way up. I expect a lot of guys deal - including Eloy and Yoan too. Not sure they get much though.

I would love AJ though.

Defense played great. Yeah it’s Bryce Young who is still finding his leg, but 6 points ignoring that special teams td.

How is that not fair catch interference or a late hit or something?

It looks like he is scared after what happened in 4th quarter vs Saints. And it is making him even more likely to throw picks.

It looks like he is scared after what happened in 4th quarter vs Saints. And it is making him even more likely to throw picks.