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QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 11:23 AM) He gave up a ton of homers in the NL, pitching in a huge ballpark, in situations where he only has to throw his top 2 pitches or so. Nothing about him translates to being an effective starter in the AL at the Cell. I'm not suggesting him as a starter. THe only reason he'd start is due to injuries.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 11:07 AM) Heilman absolutely, positively sucks! He would be pathetic as a starter in the American League. I agree that as a starter he'd be bad, but even last year, in a down season, his periph's are very good and he has a nice arm. I'd love to have him in our pen. But isn't he due to become a FA shortly? I could possibly by heilman for Javy because the Sox clearly are completely down on Javy and want to free his cash. However, Pelfrey for Jenks is not a fair deal at all. Pelfrey, a top prospect, and Heilman is something I could live with.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 10:42 AM) Why? It frees up a ton of cash, and Jackson wasn't bad last season, and will probably get better if 25% of his starts arent' against Boston and the Yankees. Heilman has a pretty nice arm and is a valuable rubber arm type of reliever who could spot start in a pinch.

QUOTE (That funky motion @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 10:39 AM) On the other board they are saying Pelfrey. I know not spanish! Pelfrey, Heilman and Martinez would be a very fair deal in my book. I'd say Javy > Heilman straight up...Pelfrey and Martinez is arguably greater than Jenks. You make that deal and you now have Pelfrey and potentially Edwin Jackson joining your rotation (two guys that seemed to make a lot of progress last year), Heilman strengthens the pen (with Thornton getting closer duties most likely and Poreda sliding into a lefty set-up spot) and you just got another premiere minor league prospect with super star potential in Martinez.

QUOTE (PHAT ALBERT @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 10:36 AM) Fernando Martinez? AA OF. Who is 'he?' Levineline? It had to be Fernando Martinez, Heilman, and someone else. I wouldn't be opposed assuming the other prospect is a good one and the Sox have a plan for all the financial flexibility. They definately would have gotten younger in a hurry and not just younger for the sake of getting young, but actually quality youth (ie, guys with talent and upside). Plus you still have a couple veteran bats in the middle (Konerko/Thome) as well as AJP. Rotation and Pen would be full of young arms with talent, many of whom have proven themselves at the big league level to some extent or another (Danks/Floyd/Buehrle is nice).

QUOTE (That funky motion @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 10:29 AM) I heard that on the score also about 30 min ago. The also said Javy and Jenks to the Mets for Heilman and someone else is heating up Whoah...whoah. I'd be down for trading Javy and Jenks but we better be getting two good spects in addition to Heilman in that package.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 10:26 AM) Levine saying its Dye for Jackson. Don't know if its close. If it turned into Dye for Jackson, a prospect, and Furcal I'd be pleased. But straight up I believe the Sox lose a bit (solely because Jackson isn't under our control for a ton of years). However, it gives the Sox another starter and one with upside and I like that, especially because I didn't want them to deal Javy with the only options being Poreda (and now Poreda should be able to slide into the spot he's best suited for, the pen). I could still live with the deal but value wise if its straight up the Sox would lose in terms of talent. As of now they've slashed over 20M and moving Dye would put you into the 30M range. You than could factor in all 11M of Viceido but that really wouldn't be the case since we are talking about a big league contract so its truly 2M. Put Javy into the equation and you could be talking about 40M in payroll cut and that should give the Sox financial flexibility to potentially extend Bobby (as opposed to trading him, although if you got great value I'd be okay with a trade) as well as potentially give Quentin and the young starters some deals that buy out there arbitration years (not in the off-season, but potentially at mid-season).

It looks as if Van Bosch has just never been able to fill the gap between AAA and the Majors. I don't know the reasoning but in addition to that he has had injuries cost him well over a season (over the long haul). Wouldn't be a bad guy to grab, hope you can make some minor mechanical switches to and maybe he pans out (but more importantly he's a very good AAA pickup because he would help the Knights win).

It depends on what the Sox scouts have to say. I'm glad Sox scouts seem to do a good job identifying minor league players within other systems who have potential flaws that can be fixable.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 09:49 AM) If you could get Crawford, Davis and a couple more prospects for Jenks and Dye, would you make that move? Absolutely. I'd do Crawford and Davis straight up for Jenks/Dye. Maybe find a way to get Niemann or another guy added, but I'd be perfectly content with the deal straight up.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 09:49 AM) If you could get Crawford, Davis and a couple more prospects for Jenks and Dye, would you make that move? Absolutely. I'd do Crawford and Davis straight up for Jenks/Dye.

QUOTE (scenario @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 09:29 AM) If we acquired Furcal, I'm guessing Alexei might move to CF. That would actually be a tremendous idea. Alexei in center would be a nice fit and he has a very strong arm (plus plenty of range). If he'd be open to it I'd be a major fan (especially if Getz can pan out at 2B and eventually you slide Beckham in). You still have Brian Anderson on the bench who could slide in and play CF and if Furcal gets hurt you always can move Ramirez back into SS.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 09:16 AM) Because it would cost something like 4 years and $50 million to get Furcal here. Honestly, if you move Javy and Dye (plus already having moved Swisher and having Crede/Uribe/OC's contracts gone) that would be a drop in the bucket (especially when you factor in that the Sox would have gotten cost certainty out of there youngsters in the rotation for at least a few more years).

QUOTE (103 mph screwball @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 09:15 AM) Why pay a king's ransom for Roberts if the Sox can just sign Furcal and keep Alexei at 2nd where we know he can play well. Roberts would look nice in a Sox uniform though. If the Sox could get Jackson and a nice pitching prospect (I can't see them getting Jackson and Davis) than the writing is on the wall for Javy. Maybe they can get one above average prospect for Javy and than either go out and get Furcal or use some of the existing system to land Brian Roberts. They'd clearly have quite a bit of resources freed up.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 09:08 AM) Jackson's had MUCH more time to figure things out than Floyd had had at the time. More time in the majors yes, but both were at similar ages when they ultimately made there break-through. Well I don't know if I'd call Jacksons season a break-through season because there are some scary indicators (ie, not as many k's and a very high WHIP). But he's still very young with a plus arm.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 09:04 AM) A package of Davis and Jackson seems eerily similar to Floyd and Gio... That package is a lot better. Jackson is at the very least a league average starter with above average stuff and Davis is currently a top 25 prospect in all of baseball. If the Sox got that type of haul I'd be left speachless. I'd also tell you that Javy will be packing his bags.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 08:58 AM) Why has everyone fallen in love with W. Aybar? Didn't we just get Betemit? He's a nice role player to have on a team, but I don't ever envision either Betemit or Aybar getting 300 at-bats with the Sox unless there are major injuries. I pointed that out in another post I made. With Betemit, Aybar makes less sense.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 08:51 AM) Edwin and Wade...mark me down. Wade is arguably a top 20 prospect in all of baseball so you aren't going to get Edwin Jackson as well. In fact, It wouldn't shock me at all if you couldn't even get Davis straight up for Dye. I'm still holding out hope for a Davis/Aybar deal, but I guess my question would be whether Aybar even makes any sense with Betemeit in the picture (Aybar > Betemeit though). Another possibility of course is if the Rays are so down on Niemann that the Sox could pick up Davis and Nienneman with the intent of converting Nien to an eventual back of the pen type guy (initially 6th to 7th inning, but hopefully he develops into an 8th/9th inning guy).

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 08:37 AM) If JD bring us some flexibility to go and sign someone on the FA market, thats even better. Kenny usually isn't super active in the FA market but I do think it would free up some cash to potentially acquire a player via trade who has a contract.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 08:33 AM) I'd be shocked if the Rays would entertain that notion with Dye being the main piece coming from our end... If you added Jenks to the equation you could have the potential for a pretty big blockbuster type deal. I'm guessing Wade Davis and Aybar or a prospect.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 08:29 AM) If we don't get Wade Davis, I'll be very disappointed. Davis is a very intriguing name. He's pretty much done what he can in the minors, is young, and projects pretty nicely with a fastball that can hit the mid 90's and an improving curve. Video of Davis: http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/RaysD...ance_Wade_Davis

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 08:25 AM) I could see Aybar and an arm. I think KW likes Jackson a lot. I don't see the need and you clearly aren't even getting a potential starter if you deal Dye for Aybar and an arm (depending on who the arm is). If you trade Dye I'd like to think you'd either get one young player who you grade out at turning into a borderline all star or get a few more raw guys that have high potential.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 08:25 AM) Edwin Jackson, anyone? For whatever reason, I would be surprised if he were not part of the deal... Who else might we be interested in? Any ideas? When is Edwin Jackson due to become a free agent. I know he's played in parts of 6 major league seasons. I'd be all about a deal that involved Jackson and another player of good value. In general I think the Rays/Sox match up very well. All that said, Jackson hasn't exactly dominated in the majors and has given up more hits than walks and has a questionable WHIP. I love the stuff but continue to wonder if he'll flip the switch and take things to the next level. But you got to love the arm.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 06:34 AM) Getting the two or three best players from AA would mean we would be getting two or three of the best prospects in baseball, who are also already advanced to nearly MLB ready players. I'd be giddy if we got those guys too. What he said!!!!

QUOTE (Cubano @ Nov 20, 2008 -> 05:58 PM) What is the name of that Korean pitcher? Po-Yu-Lin I believe.