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QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 6, 2008 -> 10:52 AM) Hyperbole much? Seriously Kap, the Dems are not SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO far to the left of the GOP that you can call them socialist. In fact, looking at the way independent voters have moved towards the Dems in recent year, I tend to agree with them that it is the Republicans that have moved further from center. As I said in here a couple years ago, I think the rise of the neo-con, Christian Coalition drivers of the GOP has peaked, and is now receding. The party has come to realize they abandoned a significant part of their previous base - fiscal conservatives - in favor of their social agenda. And that hasn't worked well for them at all. So, we now see McCain likely to win the nomination. And I say... good! He's a heck of a lot better than any of the other goons the GOP ran out there in this race. I liked three people in this thing: Richardson, Obama and McCain (all for different reasons, though). If I get two of those three to choose from in November, I'll be pretty happy. That will be the best choice set I've seen in my lifetime. They are too. Anyone who wants to basically take the profits (and my earnings) and redsitribute it for "social" reasons are by definition "socialist" (not "capitalist"). We have to be "socialist" on roads, education... ... ... and then according to Hillarity and Obama, illegal immigrants welfare social security (gov't owes me retirement) health care taking oil profits and subsidizing gov't activities

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 6, 2008 -> 10:30 AM) It depends on your definition of "win", which is why I earlier put that word in quotes... --If by "win" you mean number of pledged delegates won today... well, Obama is ahead, but Clinton will likely just pass him when all the dust settles - so that's her win. --If by "win" you mean staying in the overall pledged delegate lead, then Obama won. --If by "win" you mean number of states, Obama won. --If by "win" you mean who did best against expectaions, then Obama won. Its all perspective. But I think even you, Kap, have to say, Obama is doing better than most anyone expected at this point. Didn't you say he'd get rocked on SDOGPEIT? Sure I did. And what you all tell me is it didn't happen... right? As I said, the next major one state delegate count is Texas, IIRC. Mar 4. I'll be voting Democrat that day.

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Feb 6, 2008 -> 09:31 AM) I have a pretty comprehensive .pdf on the candidates' stances and policies on health care reform. If anyone is interested, shoot me a PM with your email and I'll try to get them out around lunch. Please send it to me. [email protected]. Does it go across parties, or just Dems? Thanks in advance!

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Feb 6, 2008 -> 10:03 AM) Hillary sig? I thought Edwards was against the status quo. He hates Obama. So you all think Obama "won" last night? I've read most of what you've said in this thread. I can't see it, with Hillarity winning all the big states.

And I was trying to be ULTRA clear that I didn't mean it as a dig. SSI71 said it much better then I did.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Feb 5, 2008 -> 10:35 PM) Let me guess, Chris Matthews? Hillary started off with about a 35-40 point lead in polling there a couple weeks ago. Those endorsements cut it in half. She had a huge built in lead in any media market hit by NYC. No - it was the local affiliate here.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Feb 5, 2008 -> 10:32 PM) Was anyone here predicting landslide victories for Obama? I think what we (I can say we, right?) were hoping for was for Obama to take 9 states, crush Hill in IL, and keep the delegate count a wash... I don't know what it will look like at the end of the night, but there appears to be a chance for Obama to be ahead (in delegates) at the end of the day. That's hardly what you've been posting in every thread. For weeks. That's RIGHT ON. I STILL say that Hillarity wins. And I have also said in every thread I hope to hell it doesn't happen.

QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Feb 5, 2008 -> 10:31 PM) I think you are wrong. it's almost completely even. Hillary is "narrowly" winning big states while Obama has big wins in "minor" states. They even out. Depending on how CA turns... Obama may actually WIN today. The talking heads on the station I was watching was saying that Clinton winning Mass was all we needed to know, with Mass gov, Kennedy AND Kerry endorsing and Hillarity still winning... so that's about all I have followed more or less.

QUOTE(Reddy @ Feb 5, 2008 -> 10:29 PM) i think Obama's been the surprise tonight. A good surprise, or a bad one? (meaning has he shown well or worse then you thought based on your opinion?)

ok. Well, there you have it. I guess now the next "big" state is Texas. How nice, we actually have a say. I'm going to vote for Obama. Not kidding.

Now I haven't read the last 8 pages of the thread, but for me, as I have just caught up, it's pretty much shaping up much like I thought. Hillarity is pulling down a lot more then what people thought, I think... or am I wrong?

Because he is. So is the entire Democratic Party. Now, let me be clear. It's not "socialist" like "communist", but it certainly is socialist when you: want government health care continue to grow government control on damn near everything that breathes let's expand government entitilements on everything we can (sense a theme yet?) Again, why does the government have to take care of us? It should be us taking care of ourselves. Oh wait, I forgot, no one wants personal responsibility anymore, that's Uncle Sam's job.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 5, 2008 -> 05:29 PM) BTW, this is why the government has looked the other way for decades. As long as we had people to work those low income jobs off the books, it did not cost us as much. Low paid workers, no matter who it is, receive more benefits then they contribute. Student financial aid, police and fire, highways, food, clothing, and shelter, health care. But Kap, we can't keep using illegals, so those jobs will have to go on the books. Like it or not. As I said, send them all home, and make them apply for a guest worker program LEGALLY. Then, I don't have a problem with it.

Ok, let's go through this. QUOTE(mr_genius @ Feb 5, 2008 -> 04:49 PM) McCain Kennedy Title I: Border Security * Requires the development of various plans and reports evaluating information-sharing, international and federal-state-local coordination, technology, anti-smuggling, and other border security initiatives * Establishes a Border Security Advisory Committee made up of various stakeholders in the border region to provide recommendations to the Department of Homeland Security regarding border enforcement * Encourages the development of multilateral partnerships to establish a North American security perimeter and improve border security south of Mexico This is your classic paper tiger. When? How? Title II: State Criminal Alien Assistance * Reauthorizes the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program that provides reimbursement to state and local governments for incarcerating undocumented aliens convicted of crimes * Allows for funding to pay for additional criminal justice costs associated with undocumented immigrants charged or convicted of crimes Oh boy, how nice. So we STILL end up paying for these assbags who come over here and committ crimes. Where's the incentive to deport these peckerheads? Title III: Essential Worker Visa Program * Creates a new temporary visa to allow foreign workers to enter and fill available jobs that require few or no skills (the H-5A visa) * Applicants must show that they have a job waiting in the U.S., pay a fee of $500 in addition to application fees, and clear all security, medical, and other checks * Requires updating of America's Job Bank to make sure job opportunities are seen first by American workers * Initial cap on H-5A visas is set at 400,000, but the annual limit will be gradually adjusted up or down based on demand in subsequent years * Visa is valid for three years, and can be renewed one time for a total of 6 years; at the end of the visa period the worker either has to return home or be in the pipeline for a green card * Visa is portable, but if the worker loses his job he has to find another one within 60 days or return home * Ensures that employers hiring temporary workers abide by Federal, state and local labor, employment and tax laws * Prohibits the hiring of temporary workers as independent contractors * Protects temporary workers from abuse by foreign labor contractors or employers. * Gives temporary workers and U.S. workers remedies for violations of their rights * An employer can sponsor the H-5A visa holder for a green card, or after accumulating four years of work in H-5A status, the worker can apply to adjust status on his/her own * Sets up a task force to evaluate the H-5A program and recommend improvements Ok, this is fine. But what about the people who are here NOW illegally? What happens? OH, YEA, that AMNESTY word comes in. N-O, thank you. Title IV: Enforcement * Creates a new electronic work authorization system that will ultimately replace the paper-based, fraud-prone I-9 system, to be phased in gradually * When operational, the system will be applied universally and cannot be used to discriminate against job applicants * Individuals will have the right to review and correct their own records; data privacy protections are in place * Immigration-related documents and US-VISIT will be upgraded to require biometric verification of travelers * The Department of Labor will have new authority to conduct random audits of employers and ensure compliance with labor laws; also includes new worker protections and enhanced fines for illegal employment practices Big deal. I-9 goes computers. So what? TITLE V: Promoting Circular Migration Patterns * Requires foreign countries to enter into migration agreements with the U.S. that help control the flow of their citizens to jobs in the U.S., with emphasis on encouraging the re-integration of citizens returning home * Encourages the U.S. government to partner with Mexico to promote economic opportunity back home and reduce the pressure to immigrate to the U.S. * Encourages the U.S. government to partner with Mexico on health care access so that the U.S. is not unfairly impacted with the costs of administering health care to Mexican nationals Read: US government pays for Mexico to do what they should be anyway. f*** that. Title VI: Family Unity and Backlog Reduction * Immediate relatives of U.S. citizens are not counted against the 480,000 annual cap on family-sponsored green cards, thereby providing additional visas to the family preference categories * The current per-country limit on green cards is raised slightly to clear up backlogs * Income requirements for sponsoring a family member for a green card are changed from 125% of the federal poverty guidelines to 100%, and other obstacles are removed to ensure fairness * The employment-based categories are revised to provide additional visas for employers who need to hire permanent workers, and the annual cap is raised from 140,000 to 290,000 * Immigrant visas lost due to processing delays are recaptured for future allotments Oh, so if I have a relative, I can have them join me. HEY, at least they're LEGAL this way. Title VII: Adjustment of Status for H-5B Non-Immigrants * Undocumented immigrants in the U.S. on date of introduction can register for a temporary visa (H-5B), valid for six years * Applicants have to show work history, clean criminal record, and that they are not a security problem to be eligible for a temporary visa * They will receive work and travel authorization * Their spouses and children are also eligible * In order to qualify for permanent status, workers will have to meet a future work requirement, clear additional security/background checks, pay substantial fines and application fees ($2000 or more per adult) as well as back taxes, and meet English/civics requirements A-M-N-E-S-T-Y. Period. There isn't a way around this interpretation. That's where I'll stop. This is ludicrious. Title VIII: Protection Against Immigration Fraud * Attempts to eliminate the exploitation of immigrants by notarios or other unlicensed immigration law practitioners by imposing new legal requirements on such individuals * Allows immigrants defrauded by unauthorized legal representatives to file actions against their perpetrators Title IX: Civics Integration * Creates a public-private foundation under the USCIS Office of Citizenship to support programs that promote citizenship and to fund civics and English language instruction for immigrants * Provides for new money to fund civic and English language instruction for immigrants Title X: Promoting Access to Health Care * Extends the authorization of federal reimbursements for hospitals that provide emergency care to undocumented immigrants; includes H-5A and H-5B workers in the program Title XI: Miscellaneous * Distributes the fees and fines paid by H-5A and H-5B workers among the DHS and DOS for processing, DHS for border security efforts, DOL for enforcement of labor laws, SSA for development of the employment eligibility confirmation system, hospitals to pay for uncompensated health care, and the USCIS Office of Citizenship for civic integration and English classes * Requires the dissemination of information related to the provisions of this legislation * Includes anti-discrimination protections that cover all workers, including H-5A and H-5B visa holders And what the hell do you want to do? that doesn't look like this Uber Amnesty program you keep screaming about. Like I want 12 million illegals mooching off the US entitlement programs, I don't even want US citizens doing it. Make some cuts those programs.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Feb 5, 2008 -> 04:42 PM) When it comes right down to it, there is no candidate in this race that a true conservative can feel good about supporting. Which is why, I believe, both of us have such a s***ty attitude about this election. Yes, that's true. For me, the "best" of them is Barack Obama, but I could never vote for the man because he's a socialist. I can respect the man, but I would never vote for him. The rest of these assholes/b**** are pondscum. Period.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Feb 5, 2008 -> 04:21 PM) haha, you do realize that the immigration bill McCain was for is a WAY harsher than Reagan's amnesty of illegals right? I thought Reagan was the true conservative all Republicans should aspire to be? So you want basically want a president that refuses to work with the Democrats. Even if there is a compromise to give both sides some things that they want. And who do you support, may I ask. Most of your posts look like this "f*** s*** idiot, a@# f***, pee pee poo, c***. " bla bla bla. I know you think everyone is a 'pube' or a 'f*** a** c***' but besides that you give little information. I just GAVE you examples. What the hell do you want? Re: you saying to me that most of my posts look like "xxxxxxxxxxx", pot, meet kettle. You realize that at this point in time in our country, you cannot just build 12 million or MORE people into our social welfare program, right? McCain: "oh oh oh let's fine these people and then give them citizenship". (rotates index finger, big whoopie doo doo). It's AMNESTY. Make them all go home and come back the right way through a guest worker program. I'm fine with that. The truth is I don't support ANY of these assbags, because they are all full of s***. ALL OF THEM. McCain is a jackass who stabs the Republican party every time he can for personal gain. John McCain is WHO I call a Re-pube-lican. He's a sellout.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Feb 5, 2008 -> 04:13 PM) Well, that knocks out the President. You're damn straight it does.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Feb 5, 2008 -> 04:11 PM) By the way, while y'all have been voting, some numbers came out showing that in January, the U.S. economy took what appears to be a gigantic nosedive. A report on the performance of the Service Sector of the economy, which had been expected to show a slight increase in January, showed seemingly a large contraction. A mark of 50 on that scale is considered to be holding steady, 51.5 or so was expected, and it came in at 44.6. That's the 2nd lowest number on record, next to October of 2001. According to Paul Krugman's blog, this number typically tracks strongly with the monthly job numbers. The fed knows, that's why they cut rates 1.25% in 9 days.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Feb 5, 2008 -> 04:05 PM) What do you think his most liberal political issue is? What specifically makes him a liberal? A-M-N-E-S-T-Y (any way you slice it, it's A-M-N-E-S-T-Y, you jackass) Being against the tax cuts, before being for them. McCain-Feingold (the biggest piece of s*** legislation in a long time) The "gang of 14" - what a f***wad. McCain-Kennedy (, a CONSERVATIVE???) I'll just START there, and there's lots of other examples. And f*** the "he's just showing leadership"... bull f***ing s***.

McCain is just as big of a phoney. Maybe not bigger, but just as. He's just more open about his phoniness.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Feb 5, 2008 -> 11:45 AM) His ideas taken in moderation are helpful. If they were all put into reality, our economy would literally collapse. I have no problem with the pendulum swinging back towards his way of thinking, just not all of the way there. Exactly, but it sure is funny how fired up these Paulbots get when they are challenged.

They're all useless. But he's more useless because he doesn't live in reality and has a quite obnoxious base, thank you very much.

And Balta's quoted poll will be the reality. Deal with it.

Ron Paul became useless to me about the time he started asking for all this money and never moved from 5%. Goodbye, and good riddance.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Feb 5, 2008 -> 07:52 AM) I was kind of partial to "Bob the Beacon" I still have that hideous article of clothing somewhere.