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QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 03:11 PM) Whatever, she's stupid and stupid people deserve to get f***ed by unscrupulous companies. Whatever, unscrupulous people deserve to get nannified and ultra-protected by the system (read: government) and we un=unscrupulous folks can do whatever we want, because it'll all be ok!

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 03:05 PM) And our tax code, and our corporations, and our retirement, and our ethics... Yep. Exactly. See, that's all ok, because it benefits ALL of us... uh huh, but damn we do anything to intercept communications because terrorists have rights, too...

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 02:53 PM) And yet...there are so many people out there who want to trust the same all knowing, all wise government with the right to read every one of these posts, every one of my emails, and every one of my phone calls, without even requiring a warrant. Kinda strange isn't it? Sorry for the thread hijack. Yea, cause they care about all this s***. I bet they will come knockin' on my door tonight because I said, screw the government. And by that same token, there are so many people out there who want to trust the same all knowing, all wise government with every right to provide our health care, get control of all the records relating to health care, and decide who gets treated and who doesn't because it might "cost too much".

QUOTE(Mplssoxfan @ Feb 14, 2008 -> 08:21 PM) You're right of course, but I think that's only true if the '72 Dolphins got into a time machine and came to 2007. If you played the game under the conditions that teams played in in 1972 (smaller roster, fewer substitutions, much less sophistication on both sides of the ball, etc.) it would be a closer game. I mean, there wasn't a spread offense and five wide outs in 1972. Not to pick on you kap (I'll save that for the 'buster), but saying that any team from today would whup any team from 27 years ago isn't exactly a bold stretch. No, that's a good argument, and one I hadn't thought of that way. But, I think that you have to realize that any time you say "the best of all time"... that means then AND NOW, and you can't say any team from 40 years ago is the "best of all time". Best of that era? Abosolutely. Best of all time? That's a stretch.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 01:09 PM) That Toews goal last night was sick. Jesus. Yea, sick in that Nashville's lineup looked like they were skating with corncobs up their ass. It was a good heads up play from Toews, but NO ONE in the NHL should get a look like that 1 on 4. Nashville was pathetic last night. They thought they were king s*** after beating Detroit a couple of nights earlier, and I thought the 'Hawks played well and gave the Predators a good old fashioned, sit the eff down you stuck up assholes kind of a game.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 11:48 AM) I agree that the anti-Clinton vote could be the one that mobilizes members of the religious right that would sit it out otherwise. That is a group that is very capable of grassroots mobilization to turn out enough voters to figure very prominently in th election if they get a fire lit under them. And nothing fires up evengelicals like the thought of Hillary Clinton - President. Trust me on that one. It's MORE likely that they would sit out if Obama's the nominee, which is probably why you see some of the Obama will beat McCain stuff you're seeing.

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 11:41 AM) Bill of Rights, Amendment 1. The government simply has no place in religion, and religion has no place in the government. I have a different interpretation of the first amendment then you do.

QUOTE(Reddy @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 11:41 AM) i dont think thats true. the religious right, if they dont have a candidate to rally behind, just wont vote. I GUARANTEE you that if Hillary is the nominee, they will hold their nose and pull the McCain lever, because the "religious right" understands very clearly the ramifications of a Hillarity presidency.

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 11:32 AM) No you shouldn't, but it also shouldn't be noticeable by the other students. No, it shouldn't cause a disruption. That's where it crosses a line. But so does distrupting class by flipping off the teacher. Disruptions are disruptions, no matter what the cause.

QUOTE(Reddy @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 11:18 AM) i actually agree with you on that - i just i don't think there should be organized prayer in school. It shouldn't be led by teachers or anything like that. And so, if it isn't led by teachers, then it's not an issue of whether God is in school or not, but whether God is in that individual kid's life. He or she will decide whether he/she wants to pray at school or whatever else and so thusly, it's actually all on the parents shoulders, not the schools. Right, exactly. I just said this in reply to strangesox. Hey, I think we all sort of agree on something.

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 11:13 AM) Individuals are allowed to express whatever belief they want. I remember "prayer by the (flag) pole" at Lockport. I'm pretty sure a teacher even lead the group. But it was outside of class. It was mandatory, it wasn't forced, and it wasn't part of the official school day. If a student wants to say a prayer themselves, or carry a Bible, no one is stopping them. If you're a teacher, your job isn't to proselytize your students, so you shouldn't be including prayer as part of your cirriculum. I agree with that. But if I were in class and choose to say a prayer before a test, I shouldn't get kicked out of school for it, either. And there's been cases where that's happened, and it's a shame.

QUOTE(Reddy @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 11:05 AM) ok, so say we take all that as a given. why is the answer forcing all kids in school to believe in the Christian God? It's not, and I don't think he's trying to say that. But, I do think that people should be able to express their religious beliefs (God, Allah, whatever) in school or whereever they are, and not be pigeonholed and forced to shut up due to "separation of church and state". And this is true if they are not forcing their beliefs on someone. That's where it crosses the line and should not be allowed to occur.

And by the way, I *STILL* say Hillary wins this thing. I *DO* think that the superdelagates will still go her way, en masse. The only way that doesn't happen is if Obama just launches her ass on March 4, and I don't think that is going to happen.

Well, I know YAS doesn't feel that way personally, but his point is that this sentiment runs pretty deep, and that's what I was alluding to that both Obama and Hillary have some issues with Texas (and that's just one example). And I will tell you that I'm pretty certain Obama, IF he wins, will not pick Hillary to be his Veep. It won't work.

There's a lot of sentiment that Republicans by the masses are going to cross and vote Obama. The Hillary hate here is pretty big. I know I'm going to go vote and it's going to be for Obama, and Mrs. Kap's doing the same thing. Neither of us would vote for him in the general, but no one wants another Clinton near the White House. Really, Texas is a difficult state for both, if you think about it. I think it's sad that it's that way, but it's true. So, my line get's to be, I voted for Obama, before I voted against him.

QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 08:15 AM) I'm sick to my mutherf***ing stomach that there's a chance that the next President of this country does not intend to do everything in his power to keep us safe. Terrorists don't just come up and tell you when they're going to attack. Pretty much, and this to me is pretty black and white. I know the libs out there will scream CIVIL LIBERTIES all day long, but this is not about that, and way deep down, they know it, but it doesn't help their "cause" of making the EVIL Republican agenda spin the world around.

QUOTE(Shadows @ Feb 14, 2008 -> 11:19 AM) Well no s*** Kap Its different periods, teams these days would smoke teams of the old days based purely on the fact of athletes are better, game planning is better, there is better preparation for the players.. better equipment, its just how the game evolves.. No one is arguing the players aspect of this, but as a team the 72' Dolphins are the only ones who have gone undefeated.. thats why they are the best team of all time "Best of all time" does not equal "undefeated" - even the sun shines on a dog's ass once in a while... why is that so hard of a concept? "Best of all time" means that they would win 90% plus against all the other teams out there, and New England of 2007 would do that, against ANY teams in ANY time period. Now remember, this is coming from someone who hates the Patriots.

I definitely think that the "get posting" thing was that we wanted everyone to check in so we knew that all was safe. I don't need to know what happened other then our fellow soxtalkers are ok.... and that no one is very seriously hurt.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Feb 14, 2008 -> 02:59 PM) "My 6 year old had her intestines sucked out by your faulty pool filter! And this was the 12th time it happened with your same design to a person, and yet you haven't fixed it!" "Ha! What ever happened to personal responsibility? This is just another case of a lawyer making up arguments to win cases for his clients. You don't really need your intestines anyway". Oh, yes, everyone's a victim for something.

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Feb 14, 2008 -> 01:12 PM) That fraud didn't change the information and knowledge they were providing her. She saw the payments, she knew what they were, and she agreed to lie about her income. That they changed it later doesn't change the fact that she should realize that she can't afford those payments in the first place. Oh just stop it. The VICTIM, whether she knew or not, was A VICTIM! She's in for the person of the year award to feel sorry for! How DARE she be irresponsible at all, because that evil motherf***er took advantage of her, even though she KNEW she couldn't afford it! Again, for the seventh or eighth time in this thread, yes, the asshole salesman is more to blame, but she's STILL an idiot for KNOWING she couldn't make the deal happen and STILL did it.

That might give Obama a shot... but when the dust settles, the superdelegates will flock back to establishment and Hillary, is my guess. But we'll see.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Feb 14, 2008 -> 11:19 AM) I could never imagine a car salesmen not being up front and honest. I'll keep this in mind the next time I go in ot buy a car. Egggsactly.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Feb 14, 2008 -> 11:19 AM) I could never imagine a car salesmen not being up front and honest. I'll keep this in mind the next time I go in ot buy a car. Egggsactly.

QUOTE(Reddy @ Feb 14, 2008 -> 10:41 AM) thats really what's so funny about this race. Edwards STILL gets to pretty much call it. All that's left to decide is whether he wants to do that or not. He'll HAVE to do it. Otherwise, we go to a brokered convention, which is becoming a bigger possibility every day. And if that happens, we'll all annoit Queen Hillarity. There's no way a Clinton will lose a brokered convention.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 14, 2008 -> 10:55 AM) Take this step by step She reveals to the "salesperson" her income. A professional says "as much as I'd love to see you drive off the lot today in that Mercedes, until you are working, they will not approve the loan. How about you come back when you are working and we will celebrate with that new car? And would you mind if I check in on you from time to time to see how the job search is going?" Instead she's in front of someone who realizes the only way to make this sale is through fraud. Now he has to determine if she is stupid and an idiot and gullible enough to go along with his fraud. It's his lucky day! He found someone "dumb" and an "idiot"! Even better, she has $30,000 in savings he can take! It certainly is his lucky day. Later message boards will be filled with scorn for her, but very little for him. (at this point no one has any sympathy for her because she is a dumb idiot for going along with the con man's scam) Later, his hopes are dashed because $6000 won't qualify. No problem! She's stupid and an idiot and he'll just squeeze an 8 in there and a decimal in here, and viola, he'll still have the sale, and she'll still be a stupid idiot. Again, message boards will be filled with scorn for her for not having any personal responsibility but he'll get off lightly. She can't be a victim and a sympathetic figure because she's stupid and an idiot and walked into a Mercedes dealer? Cons and frauds work because people are trusting, stupid, gullible, etc. And we lock people up in prison for committing these frauds. Even when the person signs contracts, hands over cash, checks, etc. In fact, it usually isn't until they turn over valuables that a con can be convicted. Con men prey on the stupid and the idiots. This guy was a con man in a nice suit at a Mercedes dealership. She clearly knew she was going along with something that is wrong, but the con man deserves 99% of the blame in this. It comes plenty close to entrapment. If he isn't willing to defraud the loan company. she doesn't. Um, how many times do people have to say the scumbag was a worse idiot then she was, yet, she was an idiot, too? Damn, I think people have gone out of their way repeatedly to say that.