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QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 07:21 PM) You're close. They are still worthy of discussing. I'm glad you're finally on board. Good grief.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 07:00 PM) Whether true (which it probably is) or not, it's still such a bulls*** excuse. During the course of a full season, fatigue is a factor for every team, and one that does not need to be used as an excuse. If you're well enough to play, you should be capable of performing at an optimal level. If not, go on the DL. Frankly, I can't sympathize with millionare athletes who are too tired to win... The fact of the matter is that this team had the talent to at the very least make it back to the playoffs. But they under-achieved. Fair enough. They couldn't get it done. It sucks, but I'm not that terribly heart-broken, and will eventually start to get excited about next season. But, I could have done without the weak excuses. Ok, now that I can agree with.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 06:51 PM) Okay, I do understand what you're saying. But I view Chavez and the Iranian president as crazies. If Merkel or Chirac or Harper called Bush the devil I would be more upset because, at some level, I have a respect for them and their points of view. But having Chavez do it, well that's sort of like getting made at the hobo on the corner who calls you a slut whenever you walk by. You may want to tell him off, but then you think about the source and, oh, right, crazy pants, so you walk on. True. That's a funny analogy.

But it was ok about a year ago for Rangel to give a "death sentance" to Black Americans because of George Bush? And accusing him of killing our soldiers and 10's of thousands of Iraqis? Yea, hypocrite.

QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 06:34 PM) No, they are completely exhausted. 12 extra games just killed them. I'm surprised they had the strength to make it back to play baseball at all this year. And they're hurt. My god, they're barely alive. They have an EKG and a defibrillator in the dugout to keep those guys alive for the stretch run. AJ had to be zapped back to life a couple of times in the last homestand. I think they deserve a standing ovation for just managing to wake up every morning. (Sometimes green isn't needed.) You're not mad. Nah. You're right, they all mailed it in. They suck. Screw them, they aren't worthy of watching or discussing anymore. Screw it. It's OVA!

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 05:47 PM) But see, there's no reason at all to do that. The fact that Chavez says something or advocates some policy or believes in helping the poor does not mean that every policy chavez advocates is a terrible thing. If Ahmadinejad proposed giving tax cuts to the highest earners in Iran, would that mean that the U.S. should immediately raise taxes on the highest wage earners in this country? If Chavez says that the U.S. is evil, does that mean that anyone who calls another country or leader evil is immediately like Chavez? Balta, what kind of bulls*** is this? You're cherry picking the posts and then intermingling them. This ain't about 'giving the poor' heating oil. Read my posts. I have two different thoughts in this thread, so please don't link them. QUOTE(Soxy @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 05:50 PM) And the rhetoric is the same on both sides: They're wrong, if you vote for them XXXX will happen. You don't want XXXX to happen because it completely undermines what being an American is all about. You can put: terror, civil liberties taken away, income disparity, terror in there and I imagine most every single person on the campaign trail has spoken some variant on this. As I tell my students: you're too smart for a cheap cop-out like that; think up a new critique. I'm dumb and ignorant. Seriously, yes, I see your point, but I guess my thing is - if someone would have come to the UN and delivered a speech like this in 1979, REPUBLICANS would have been pissed and come to the support of Carter. It's kind of like dissing a family member - you might not totally get along with them, but you'd support them through it all. Fast forward 25+ years, and no one is really condemning it, and I think it's a rather sad testament to our times. That was more my point.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 05:48 PM) Well then we should close the board down since we can't comment on anything. Afterall none of us know what's really going on. Come on. You're smarter then that. It's one thing to discuss, and it's another to insinuate that you know more then you do.

My whole point was, and continues to be, all you know it alls (and don't take offense, anyone... if the shoe fits, wear it, if not, don't) don't KNOW what's going on. There's a lot that could be the reason for our "collapse" of being 20 games over .500 when we should have won 115 games on paper.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 04:39 PM) Please. Let me put this in a lovely SAT style analogy: Leftists: Chavez as "Righties":: Pat Robertson Great open dialogue though, Kap. Really, you post is a step in the direction to this country moving forward in a bi-partisan manner. You complain a lot about partisanship and corruption, yet you post stuff like this which is completely contrary to starting an open dialogue. Touche. Look, for once I'll do some research... and post what has been said and compare it to Chavez. It'll probably be the weekend, though before I can. The rhetoric is much the same, though. And that's my point.

It doesn't matter. They are highly paid athletes who are supposed to be above ALL of this. They aren't HUMAN, they are MACHINES! Get it right, Rock. Besides, every other team overcomes it, obviously (Sometimes, green isn't needed).

It amazes me how few people get it around here, and I don't mean that directly against you.

QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 02:14 PM) First, you don't know anything about what point in my life I'm at. You've read some posts of mine about the Chicago White Sox, and that's it. You think that I don't "think in terms of grey yet" because I think the Sox haven't been playing with fire or intensity this season? I think you are reaching...greatly. FWIW, I don't kick my cat when Konerko DP's. And Sox losses don't ruin my life. I recognize the importance of sports. It is just entertainment, but I care nonetheless. Again, you can't experience highs with a team if you don't also feel the lows. They go hand in hand. That is exceptionally rare for human beings. How can one be overjoyed about wins and not care much about losses? You can be whatever kind of fan you want to be. But please don't pretend for a second that your odd outlook towards the Sox is the more evolved way to be. Congrats on the superiority and condescension. You do it well. "When you grow up, you'll be a good, mature fan like me." You have a very high opinion of yourself. Superiority Compex, Take 500. Thanks for playing.

QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 11:32 AM) Did the Sox get a standing ovation last night for crapping their pants (again) against the Tigers? I think they definitely deserve a standing ovation for losing 2 of 3 in that critical series and basically sleepwalking their way through the second half. Thanks guys! They deserve to get the s*** kicked out of them. They suck. f*** this team. BOOOOOOOOOOO. Bunch of lazy asses who gave up. There. Does it make it any better?

In my group for Strategic Management class I'm taking is a girl from Venezuela - who actually has some connections to the Chavez group that's in power in Venezuela. I have yet to talk to her a lot (about this subject), but she was saying that he's EXTREMELY popular and he does redistribute enough money down to the poor that he will remain in power for quite some time. It's another reason why 'leftists' in this country love him... he takes money from the 'rich' and GIVES it to the poor. I find it amazing that he pretty much quoted the rhetoric by (insert Democrat name here) and it's all ok.

If this were 25-30 years ago, this would be condemned to high hell on US soil. Now, no one cares. PATHETIC.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Sep 20, 2006 -> 04:59 PM) Say what you want, but I only see one side here name calling. Ok, Mr. Admin. /rolly He didn't single anyone out, yet you b**** the loudest. I wonder why? Get over yourself. (now, just because, you'll have to say something else snarky to have the last word, just like always).

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Sep 20, 2006 -> 02:57 PM) Real nice that he got away with calling everyone else sissies, though. You have to be kidding me... Wow. Obviously, the shoe must fit PERFECTLY.

QUOTE(Steff @ Sep 20, 2006 -> 12:27 PM) They've got nothing on this board. Most of you have been digging the graves since July. Pretty dang sad, isn't it?

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 20, 2006 -> 12:26 PM) Threads like this kill me. All this talk about "quitting" and "giving up" is hilarious. Many of the same people slamming the team for quitting are the same people who have been throwing players and this team under the bus for years now, yet are pissed off that the team "quit". Hell how hard is it to be a fan? You know you have to do impossibly hard things like encourage the team through rough times, and cheer when they do well, yet still couldn't handle a team that underachieved. Hell half of the sissies here quit going to games and watching games because the Sox weren't 60 games over .500 or something, and have the nerve to call the players quitters? OMG, the irony could be served up as a part of a seven course meal as delicious as that is. In another language I guess you could call it hypocracy. But hey, you all are pissed off the team quit right? Yeah, I mean they had to quit, right? Its not like a dozen of these guys are playing through injuries that would could have easily put them on the DL right? Because if they had given up, and had an easy excuse out, they totally would have taken it right? How many guys are on the DL for the Sox right now? Jeff Nelson is the ONLY guy on the DL right now for the Sox. Umm yeah, really sounds like these guys have quit to me. Here is your injured player list again since no one cared to acknowledge it yesterday Jenks-hip Buehrle-back Konerko-back MacDougal-shoulder Bmac-shoulder Contreras-back Dye-back/hammy Thome-hammy-wrist Pods-hammy Politte-rotator cuff Hermanson-back Once again, ALL of these guys are playing through this stuff. Not a one of them is on the DL, when it would be the easy way out. Don't give me this bullspiff about quitting, especially when all I hear is about how people aren't going to games or watching games anymore. Nice double standard. And finally as I have said a million times before, many of you all totally miss the point about sports in general. It isn't supposed to be about who can get the maddest when their team loses, or the happiest when their team wins. Sports is supposed to be a release from you daily life. Its entertainment. No matter how much you love it, or hate it, its not supposed to be a life or death thing, its supposed to bring you a sense of relaxation. If it is making you mad enough where you have to go onto a message board and flip out about something you have no control over, you are probably taking this way too seriously. Relax, and get some perspective on life. In reality, if the Chicago White Sox don't win a game the rest of the year, what have you REALLY lost? Does Justin Morneau get to come kill your dog if the Twins win the division? Does Magglio get a night with your mom if the Tigers win? No? Well then why let what happens on the field affect the rest of your life, and turn you into a raving lunatic? I'll never understand that. In reality, if a game is pissing you off that badly, you need to turn it off and find a new hobby. Watching baseball is supposed to be fun, not an exercize in self-torture. Step away and get some perspective on life. Best post of the season. Bar none.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOO FREAKIN' HOO!

Ya'll did great with this thread! It's done. And for the record, again, it's one thing to criticize, it's another to talk down.

Heads, letsgoarow, thank you.

Do we really need to go through this? Read the board, it's pretty obvious where most people stand on any given player.

I think I'm actually going to vote for Chris Bell, a Democrat running for Texas governor. He has a lot of good ideas, and makes a lot of sense. I haven't studied all of his positions, but I like his education and spending ideas.

Wow... Kinky's got more support then Strayhorn? Tex, this is scary, but I actually like Chris Bell. WTF is wrong with me?