CWSGuy406

You don't overpay to make a move for the sake of making a move...

OK - I think I have been misunderstanding you. And no, you never said that the season is over, but I wasn't 'pointing the finger' at you on that one, just letting you know. I've been flipping over between WSI and this place and it's been pretty chaotic the last couple days, I expected it would be. My point is just that this team is playing piss poorly right now, but that I don't think it will continue. I'll get this out of the way - you wanted me to point out a specific poster here who said the season will be over (or we'll be out of the race), well, Jeckle said it, but then again, that's probably a bad example, as he is sort of a 'bandwagonny' type of a guy. I agree that our pitching has been the problem as of late, but it's not like it's been against terrible teams (excluding the Montreal series, let me explain my self real quickly). It started with Philly where we gave up 11 and 13 runs in that series, won one, lost one. Philly has a very good offense, and Garland/Buerhle each had bad starts in that series. But Garland bounced back, his start against Montreal, IMO, should have been good enough for a win. Then the Atlanta series came, and other then the 8 run game (which we won), we pitched pretty well that series as well. We gave up a total of 11 runs in the Florida series yet lost two out of three. The Montreal series, I really didn't have a good feeling with Munoz out there. OK - sorry if I've been rambling, but my point is that while our pitching hasn't been the greatest, it hasn't against bad hitting teams (excluding Montreal). Even today, against Cleveland, giving up 5 runs should be enough to win a game. Their offense is very good, and five runs from your fourth starter should be good enough to win, IMO. (that part was probably longer than it should have been, sorry about that) Well - I do think that while our schedule isn't really easy, it will be a lot easier than Minny's. For one, we get a lot of Detroit in the second half. While they're doing very well this half of the season, they will eventually sell some of their players (Urbina, etc). And while I don't want to use last season as a crutch, I do believe that this team will heat up. I base that on past experience, right or wrong, take it FWIW. That's what I believe, you might believe something different, but that's what I think. And I agree with you that Ozzie has made his share of mistakes, and by no means am I calling him a 'great' manager. But as I said, I think he makes up for that in his desire to win. I think I said it earlier, this team would barely have won 30 games with Manuel as manager. I see this in their ability to come back from almost any deficit, and really, this team doesn't and hasn't quit this year.

How am I backtracking? By editing my post and telling you what I meant? This team is playing like absolute horse crap right now, yet are four games over .500. Had Koch not blown a couple games on a roadtrip, we'd be that much better. I think this team we have right now can win the division. Call me a homer, a dumbass, a dumbf***, all three, whatever name you can think of, that is what I think. Why? Because we've gone through the toughest part of our schedule, and I've stated why in that big long post. You are correct in saying that I put my words inaccurately, what I should have stated was what I put in the EDIT in my post, but apparently you decided not to ignore that part... Tell me how I backtracked? Kenny has put an above-.500 team on the field, and is about to make this team better by adding more arms/bats.

Southpaw - I love the sig. It's sweet! This game, if any during the series, needs to be won. Loaiza vs. Elarton, hopefully E-Lo can give us a good six or seven innings, four runs or less. But I think we should score some tommorow. So let's just get off this small skid and get a White Sox Winner!

How do you know that Uribe is refusing to listen to Greg Walker? Am I missing something, did Greg say something publicly?

Brando, all reports are indicating he's been asking for Garcia/Batista (haven't heard anything about Glavine, who I like as well). And if he goes out and gets us a Brian Meadows, that's fine with me as well (though I'd like an Urbina rather). I really think Kenny is looking into every possible scenario to help this ballclub out, and if you think otherwise, I think you're fooling yourself.

Ok - here's a break for a minute, here's what I want everyone to do. Breathe in. Breathe out. And repeat. Ah, isn't that nice? We're still four games above .500. We've sucked lately, yet are still doing a lot better than this team did last year at this time. We're playing without one of our top hitters. Any way you look at it, Maggs is going to be missed - his presence in the lineup really helps out. We have played the tougher portion of our schedule, and a lot of us predicted that we would be right at 500. Now - we've had two, IMO, pretty recurring problems with our team, and that is our bullpen, and every time we need a start from a fifth starter. Koch blew about five games or so for us this year - and we haven't gotten ONE good start from our fifth starter this year. Call me a homer if you want to - but once Kenny sends in a couple of reinforcements, whether it be a left handed bat, another starter, or another reliever, we WILL be OK. This team had the second best win percentage IIRC in the second half of the season last year. Unfortunately, last year, the Twins had the BEST second half win percentage. Well, this year things are a bit different. For one, we have the easier schedule down the stretch. Second, this team is different - if you want to say it isn't, and that Ozzie isn't making one difference, go ahead. But I, for one, refuse to believe that he hasn't made a difference. I agree with a lot of you, he has made some mistakes, such as day-to-day rosters, bullpen issues, etc. But for those mistakes he makes up for with his fire, and desire to win. IMO this team last year, right now is barely at 500 with Manuel as manager, and I say BARELY. This team won't quit, and it isn't quitting now. Things aren't going well right now, oh well. A lot of you guys said before the season that if we could survive the first half, and hover right around 500, that we would be a position to make a stretch run for an AL Central Title. Well, that's what we're doing, and, we're playing like s***, yet still four games over. Look - I know this team isn't perfect. We have our share of holes, bullpen, starters, whatever. But I, for one, don't think this team is giving up, or that this Cleveland team will just overtake us... Can I just say for some of you guys to relax a bit? Being angry about what's happening is OK, but some of you saying 'We're done, we're not winning anything' and 'Cleveland is going to beat us and then Detroit is going to beat us.' blah blah blah, give me a f***ing break...

Harris isn't slumping, he hasn't been in because of the number of lefties we've faced lately. When Maggs gets back, Harris/Rowand should be our two-headed- centerfield-platoon-monster.

Where did I say Kenny Williams NEEDS to go out and make some moves? I said that he WILL go out and make moves, never said he NEEDS to. Please, don't put words in my mouth, I don't like when people do that... EDIT: And what I mean by 'make this team competitive, I meant playoff caliber competitive, meaning competing with the Boston's and Oakland's of the world. I agree with you that the fifth starter issue should have been taken care of long before the season started, but not that Kenny has done a bad job...

Well, two games on that roadtrip can be blamed on him, plus other games throughout the season that he blew saves. Our team is, simply put, playing awful right now. If you, whitesox61382, think that this is what our team is 'supposed' to play like, you are dead wrong. Kenny will go out and get the necessary parts to make this team competitive. And, IMO, you can get Garcia, Finley, and another reliever without giving up any one of Reed/Anderson/Sweeney. I'll take a look at this after this week is over - if we're struggling then, I will be worried. Until then - I'll relax a bit.

Game over. What a sucky game.

2 outs.... :headshake

Nope - four to tie, five to win.

Hawk said it best, when he said that we really haven't hit full stride one time this season yet. Our offense has been inconsistent all year, our bullpen has been spotty at best, and our rotation has basically taken a loss each fifth start. I'm starting to worry a bit, but I'm not panickng (sp?). I disagree with you saying that we've overachieved before these past two weeks. It's hard to play without your best player in the lineup.

I hope the players are taking one thing from these past three games - losing 'isn't' fun at all. Watching this isn't fun at all. Just gotta do what Ozzie says - 'Fung is winning, and winning is fung'. Come on guys - how about a late inning rally, huh?

Olivo flies out. I thought he got a lot of that one, but I guess not...

:sigh: JReed, there's a lot of them out on the boards today...

I'll agree that he's getting older and doesn't do as well at the plate/behind the plate as he used to do, but I would never say that he calls a 'terrible' game. Why do you say he calls a 'terrible' game?

Sandy catches Schoeney and Buerhle. Olivo catches Garland and Loaiza. I was wondering though, does Buerhle dislike Olivo? I mean, when Sandy was out, he had Burke catch him over Olivo. And I also think regardless of who's pitching, Olivo should ALWAYS catch when the opposing pitcher is a lefty. You know things are going wrong when Sandy drops the ball at home plate. 5-1 Tribe.. :headshake

Victor Martinez = good. This Indian team is going to be very good in a year or two, and they are a one or two good relievers away from being really good. And Mike Jackson = too old.

I personally don't have any problems with querty - I haven't seen him post a lot of useless crap, I usually don't pay much attention unless something comes out of way left field.

Putting things into perspective - pretty damn good outing by Schoeney. He's the fourth starter, and four runs in seven innings, while it isn't an awesome game, it's still a pretty well pitched ballgame, especially against a Cleveland offense. Now if only our offense could transfer some of those 14 runs in Montreal over to yesterday and today....

Belliard grounds out.

Yes - let the two-headed-centerfield monster of Rowand and Harris begin.