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QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 9, 2010 -> 12:05 AM) Totally. My question is this though: If we have to come in at 110M and we are currently at 118M if we bring everyone back, then do we have to trade away 13M worth of salary in order to spend roughly 5M on proven bullpen arms? 13M sounds like a lot of human capital to me, what am I missing? You're not missing anything. If we've reached our spending limit, which KW clearly indicated, then we're going to have to get pretty damn creative. I have no idea how much money we would have to shed. But we'd have to shed some, obviously. That Teahen extension looks more despicable by the day.

I have to admit, as a pure baseball fan, the Red Sox are going to be f***ing fun to watch.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Dec 9, 2010 -> 12:09 AM) Brandon Lyon actually has value. Teahen would be given away if possible. Pretty much. I despise hypothetical trades. I just don't understand how Teahen is ever mentioned in them.

QUOTE (Pale Sox @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 11:34 PM) I've thought about Broxton too, but he's due $7MM in 2011 so i don't think we can afford him unless we shed some payroll in the deal. Flowers + Quentin + Teahen for Broxton. Seems like a lot, but Teahen has negative trade value, which kind of evens things up. lol. Yeah, the Dodgers would jump at that.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 11:14 PM) So to the bullpen experts: how much additional money do we need to spend in order to solidify the bullpen? Lot of variables so please be opinionated. I just can't grasp how much salary we really need to shed via trade to accommodate these extra arms. If the payroll is at 118M right now and we need to be at 110M, do we need to shed roughly 13M? 16M? I have no clue. Listening to KW's press conference today, I'd say little to nothing. They're going to have to make a trade.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 11:13 PM) If they sign Russell Martin, that's gonna go up to maybe 950 runs for the season. RM is bad at baseball, though.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 11:00 PM) Too expensive for my taste. He'd be a bargain if healthy. But we're pretty much tapped out money wise. I've just always been a big Mike Cameron fan.

On SOSH they're saying 7/$124.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 10:58 PM) So is Crawford going to play center field? Doubt it. They'll just slide Ellsbury over. Mike Cameron is toast. I'd love to have him.

Wanted to look for another source. Rosenthal is confirming this as well. Mike Cameron might want to make some plans.

QUOTE (Real @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 10:50 PM) it's Carl crawford for crying out loud, not prime Barry bonds, step back and take a few deep breaths huge HUGE overpay True about the overpay. They're going to seriously regret this in a few years. But as far as 2011 goes, they're going to be sick.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 10:44 PM) I wouldn't go that far. Sports, ESPECIALLY baseball, don't work that way. Boston is going to be very formidable though obviously. This is just a killer for the Yankees. Not only do they see Crawford go to their big rivals in addition to Adrian Gonzalez, but now the Angels are going to go all in for Cliff Lee, and I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up there instead of NY. They won 89 or 90 games last year and they were decimated by injuries like no team I can remember in the last 10 years. With reasonable health and bounce back years from Beckett/Lackey, they're the prohibitive favorites.

And that, my friends, is an AL wrap. Unf***ingbelievable.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 10:23 PM) It's so funny how far off people are about Cowley. He's got a very unlikable personality, but I'll never question his work. And I know these things first hand. Does anyone here like Scott Merkin? I can't stand him. His steady stream of titanic-bloated homerism pieces make me want to barf. He makes SS2K5, Ranger and Hawk look pessimistic.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 03:14 PM) If your basing a lot of things on the second half of a year, I'm surprised you don't want the Sox to rid themselves of Alex Rios, considering his good year in 2010 with a second half OPS of .686. Damn, that was a nice rebuttal. That's why I tend not to get too caught up in split stats. They're too easy to manipulate.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 03:12 PM) Again, I'm laughing out loud. Not even I hate EVERY prospect (just white Sox ones, mostly). And my hate doesn't come because they're just prospects. It's because I don't think they're any good. quickman hates them simply because they're prospects.

QUOTE (IamtheHBOMB @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 02:38 PM) I'm not one to get caught up in the promise and potential of minor league players, but I think it would be a huge mistake to trade Viciedo. I don't need to harp on his age or his tools -- there is plenty of that going on already. Just give him a chance to develop. I was just teasing quickman. He's notorious for hating every single prospect that's ever lived. This goes back at least 5 years.

QUOTE (quickman @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 02:22 PM) If we are "All in" lets look at the holes we have on this team. 5th starter and at least one bullpen arm. Viciedo is not that good. If he can be used to get either of these for our "all in" 2011. Trade him now. All prospects suck, right?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 01:13 PM) Just wondering, why exactly is it harder to hit AL pitching than NL pitching? The talent is just as good, if not better, in the NL. Everybody knows it's much easier to hit Roy Halladay, Roy Oswalt, Cole Hamels, Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Ubaldo Jiminez, Josh Johnson, Chris Carpenter, Adam Wainwright, Yovani Gallardo, Johan Santana and Daniel Hudson. Yes, I know one doesn't belong.

QUOTE (Mattchoo @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 01:03 PM) I find this very interesting!!!! I think PK has a shot at attaining that home run record if he isn't hurt and we do win consistently the next three years. I'm a little saddened because Thomas is my favorite White Sox player of all time... but PK is probably in my top 10 Do you really care if PK gets the record? Comparing him to Frank is like comparing Star Jones to Sophia Vergara. And I love PK.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 12:54 PM) Why aren't these people more worried about Dunn's transition? I haven't heard word one about his switching leagues. Well there was somebody on here (can't remember who) that said Adam Dunn was a "purely NL hitter" and I proceeded to skin a cat because I got so mad.

Hmmm. My interested is peaked. But are you guys ready for a drunk J4L?

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 12:46 PM) The way you tell it, Lee had the MVP caliber year last year, not PK. And Lee was in the NL. I'd have been all for Lee if the price were going to be super cheap. But what Lee put up stats-wise is clearly below PK's current functioning level. Also, again, jersey sales are of worth to the Sox. That's basically advertising for them. They want tons of Sox jerseys all around the city. Dumping PK means these jerseys are no longer worn out and about, starting conversations around the city (and north side). Jersey-wearers are walking commercials for the White Sox, and this is an area they want to improve to help buzz for their team. In that sense you want the team leader staying. Teams do care about getting their logo out there, they go through pains to present it in various ways for a reason. God I'm so sick of this crap. I get it's a factor when talking pitchers. But it means absolutely nothing for hitters.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 12:36 PM) What? Why? Yeah, we all are down on TCQ, but as horrific as he is in right field, we have a CF who can make up for some lost range. Quentin put up a 117 OPS+ last year and we all know he is capable of more when healthy. We won't even be depending on him as much as we really needed him last year. Add to that Floyd had a 107 ERA+ vs. Garza's 101, and I'll say you crazy! There is no "when healthy" when it comes to CQ. He's never healthy and will more than likely never be healthy. But I agree that Floyd for Garza would be a lateral move.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 12:29 PM) Per MLBAdRunners "The Cubs are one of four teams in the mix for Rays righty Matt Garza, reports ESPN's Bruce Levine. The Rays are interested in receiving prospects in return." Sounds like he's available to me. Ok then. I didn't see that. Carry on.