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QUOTE(whitesoxin' @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 10:01 PM) So you're saying what Frank has said has been worse than William Ligue? Worse than the White-flag trade? Worse than the teams constant underachieving for 4 years up until 2005? Frank Thomas's attitude is why the NBA has a dress code? Frank Thomas's attitude is why there was an NHL lockout? Maybe his poor attitude is also why college basketball coaches are covering up murders? Oh and maybe his attitude caused Jayson Williams to kill his limo driver? Maybe it even put Kobe over the edge and made him rape that woman. I'm even willing to wager that Frank being a prima donna is why Urbina slashed people, put gasoline on them, and then torched them? I'm pretty sure Ron Artest was so disappointed with Frank that he went into the stands in Detroit to beat some ass.

QUOTE(SoxPhan7 @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 09:54 PM) Are you kidding me? Over the past decade Frank's off-the-field antics and big mouth have been the worst thing for the franchise. From his comments about Jackie Robinson to his doctor's note to now this. He is a prima donna and his personality is everything that is wrong with sports. You think it was a coincidence that the team meshed so well last year -- with out frank? Yes, it was just a coincidence.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 09:54 PM) It's not like it's a coincidence or anything. I didn't say it was. But we've had more talented teams that just never won. Happens all the time. Konerko can't touch Frank overall. Anybody who uses 2005 to dispute that has serious, serious problems.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 09:43 PM) That Frank isnt the best thing to happen to White Sox baseball. 2005 was, and Mark and Paul had a MUCH bigger part to do with it. Individually, Frank is the best thing to happen to White Sox baseball. I don't think anybody is implying that he's bigger than the franchise. I think you're blinded by the championship. Konerko and Buehrle aren't somehow above Frank just because they happened to be on a team that won the World Series. That's ridiculous.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 09:38 PM) Your once again missing my point. When looking back on 05 in twenty years, Paul and Mark will be the faces of the team, as they are now. And the point is?

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 09:36 PM) 100% agree. Thats why all the guys on the 05 roster hold a much more special place in my heart than Lee, Maggs, Jose, ect. The '05 team will hold a special place in the hearts of all Sox fans. Doesn't mean you have to s*** on anything and anyone before that. And when I say you I mean people in general.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 09:27 PM) The playoffs, for me, is where it counts. The man hasnt gotten a hit in the postseason since 93. When Paul leaves, or Mark, its going to be really hard. Those guys for me will always live in my minds as "White Sox Baseball" mostly because of what they did for the Sox, and being the faces of the franchise when we won it all. While he will go down as the best White Sox player off all time(as he should), I just dont have the love some others do. You make it sound as if the Sox have been in the playoffs 5 or 6 times since 1993. He sucked in 2000. Just like Maggs, Lee, Konerko and the rest of the team sucked.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 09:19 PM) Quit slurping this guy. He obviously can't get over the fact that he is NO longer apart of the organization. It appears some of you cannot either. He is GONE. He didn't do ANYTHING in the playoffs. Nothing, not a damn thing. We won it without him. Move on. Nobody is slurping anybody. Unlike some, I don't just s*** on a guy and act like he wasn't s*** because we happened to win a title without him.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 09:11 PM) He helped us win a few games. He is nowhere near the reason we made it. And he did nothing in the playoffs because he was, let me guess, hurt. Also, please remember these other numbers that people seem to forget from last year, when he was "in his prime." .219 average, 31 K's in 105 AB Of his 23 hits, 12 were HR. He was all or nothing. And he wasn't healthy. And he had missed how much time by the time he made his debut against the Angels? Could he have possibly been a little rusty? Or do you think Frank is just a .219 hitter now? K's, average, whatever, Frank made an impact.

QUOTE(rangercal @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 09:03 PM) Frank Helped us get to the Playoffs. Without his clutch Hr's , Blum and Willie may have not had a chance to even play in the playoffs. And let's not forget the fact we averaged almost one run more per game when Frank was in the lineup compared to when he wasn't in the lineup. Frank won us atleast 3 game (or was it 4?) with clutch homeruns. Turned out those games were really important considering we almost lost all of a 15 game lead in September.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 08:51 PM) There is not another choice as far as I can see it. Past history dictates he is a constant complainer and until I see a change from him I will have to go on what he has done in the past. b**** b**** and more b****. The only thing some are complaining about on here is that Kenny finally provided some chesse to go along with Frank's whine. Past history doesn't dictate jack. You can't just assume Frank would've blown up regardeless. As has been mentioned, Frank had really mellowed out over the last few years. He was very proffesional and did nothing but support the team during their playoff run. He could've easily whined then. Frank is not Terrell Owens.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 08:45 PM) Then I trully believe you look through life drinking Frank Thomas Koolaid. You are definitely high on something. He would have found something else to complain and whine about. Will agree to disagree.

QUOTE(fathom @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 08:43 PM) You'd think with all the money these guys make, they'd be able to afford phones so they could call each other? That would've worked as well. I still think it would've been better to have a face to face sit down. A meesage on voicemail just doesn't cut it. If we're talking Geoff Blum, fine. But the greatest player in franchise history deserves a little more than that.

QUOTE(fathom @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 08:39 PM) This stuff happens with every organization. Did people really expect a pleasant "break-up" with Thomas? The guy has rarely said the right thing in the media. It's funny how a few years ago, there were arguments about who's the bigger asshole, Frank or Sammy Sosa. One guy was a steroid using ass, and the other is a non-steroid using ass. The sooner this nonsense blows over, the better it will be for the Sox. I truly believe things would be different had they sat Frank down and told them what their plans were.

QUOTE(fathom @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 08:32 PM) Yep, our organization is so s***ty that Paul Konerko turned down more money and a better location in order to stay with the Sox. Never even implied that. The question was could there possibly be any truth, even a little, to what Frank is saying. And props to Konerko for taking a few less million to stay with the Sox. But let's be honest, it's not like he made some monumental sacrafice. And if the Sox hadn't went 5 years, something they didn't want to do, we would be talking about Konerko and how he makes the Angels the team to beat.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 08:26 PM) I don't know what you have read, but I think they have been pretty bad. He has said some pretty mean s*** as far as the organization is the one at fault. Stating that the organization has had bad relationships with its players for years and they should start treating them better. The common denominater of all the relationships has been Reinsdorf. This may be the slap in the face that many feel Reinsdorf received from Frank. Again, I don't know what you have read, but he keeps trying to paint the White Sox as a bad organization. As a very unfriendly player organization. It is about time someone stood up in the organization and told it the way it is. That Frank is just a selfish whining little b**** boy that needs to grow the f*** up. But is Frank lying, though? We know what happened with Maggs last year. Ventura didn't leave on the best of terms. Ozzie even admitted he was pissed off at the way he left. Again, Frank should keep quiet. But is there any truth to what he's saying?

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 08:22 PM) Whoever voted for booing him should speak up! That would be nice.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 08:16 PM) It's as simple as it sounds. Playground rules. Frank started all the negative talk about the Sox, how he's still better than Thome and less of an injury risk. He keeps saying things about his "mistreatment," and KW kept his mouth shut the whole time. Frank started it. He kept prodding until KW broke. Some people see it this way, the rest of you don't. It's all a matter of opinion. Fair enough. Frank is an emotional guy. We all know that. I just try to put myself in his shoes. The guy is the greatest player in franchise history. It's not even a question. He's giving everything he could possibly give in his time here. The guy came out last year when he clearly wasn't 100% and made an impact. It had to be killing him to watch the playoffs and not be a part of it. Even with that, he always showed tremendous support for the team. Somebody, I don't care who, should've talked to Frank directly and let him know what the deal was. Hearing that type of stuff in the papers or through the media would piss me off as well. With that said, Frank needs to shut up and let it go. The best way to stick it to Kenny, Jerry, ect would be to come out this season and be the Frank of old. The Frank he still can be when healthy.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 08:08 PM) I think we're all siding with KW because Thomas was the one b****ing over and over again to the media after he wasn't offered a contract. If one of your co-workers just keeps on saying negative things about you constantly, no matter how little, it's going to push you over the edge. KW said what a lot of people (especially it seems a lot of the members of the Sox) were thinking. Frank Thomas is a whiny, selfish idiot. Define b****ing? I agree that Frank needs to shut up. But the guy was asked specific questions. He gave the answers. He feels as if he wasn't treated with the respect that a guy of his stature should've been. That's all. He hasn't said anything negative about Ozzie, Kenny, Jerry, the players, the fans or the city in general. And one could argue he's right. Should he still be harping about it? No. Yet Kenny calls the guy names and airs out dirty laundry and he's praised?

And one thing that's really pissing me off is that it seems people are gonna side with Kenny no matter what because he helped bring us a World Series title and Frank never did. That's the most retarded logic I've ever heard. Half this board wanted Kenny fired when it looked like we might blow a 15 game lead.

Shame on anyone that would boo him.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 07:54 PM) No, if Kenny wants to spew to Sox management and players about Frank's internal stuff, fine. But when he goes to the press with this, 'Oh he's an ass, trust me,' bulls***, then it better be about something I can see. Because from what I've seen, Kenny's the bigger selfish idiot right now. Then, the main justification he gives is some crap about how he was deeply wounded by Frank's talking about Reinsdorf. Christ, if JR has something to say, let him say it himself. If anything, the talk has been that JR and Frank very much like each other, and I don't think Frank burned any bridges with JR in that interview. So sorry, no, I don't take that sort of stuff on faith. Frank's been a great public citizen for the Sox the last couple of years. In fact, he's won me back after all the whining over the diminished skills clause. Then some mild complaints peppered everywhere with politeness set KW off, and I'm supposed to support KW? No f***ing way. Excellent post.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 07:00 PM) Both men come off losers in this situation. Someone needed to step up and be the bigger man and it just didn't happen. If I had to guess, maybe Kenny is referring to Reinsdorf helping Frank out about the time his dad or agent died...or was it both? I know Reinsdorf set him up with current agent Art Tellum. But, as you've said, both guys come off losers when things like this gets taken to the press. It's just really disappointing from the Frank Thomas standpoint. I am in no way excusing Frank. He's at fault. But Kenny is no better.

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 06:57 PM) JR loaned money to Frank??? According to Kenny.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 06:47 PM) I think at this stage of his career all that stuff was a direct slam at everything JR did to help him. Just my 2 cents. I don't get what the problem is. All Frank has said is that he thinks somebody should've told him directly that he was no longer in the team's future plans. Should Frank shut up about it and let it go? No doubt. But I don't see how Frank is disrespetcing Jerry, Kenny and the rest of the organzation. And Kenny has definitely lost some respect from me for saying, whether it's true or not, that Jerry loaned Frank money. That was stupid and totally uncalled for.