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Not that the Brewers would go for it, but Reed straight up for Grienke? If it came down to giving up Reed, I would hope that would be it...maybe a minor leaguer or two. I like Reed, but I think the Sox have some good candidates to fill the closer roll (Myers, Jones). If a deal goes down that involves two of Reed, Jones, Quintana, Floyd I'd be upset.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:04 AM) I really hope the Sox aren't about to acquire one of these guys. I think the cost is way too severe. I like the currently assembled team and I'll take my chances on getting Danks back in August. It doesn't sound like there's high confidence in having Danks back soon. Of course, that's just based on what we all hear. I think the Sox need to make a move, but I agree that Grienke might be too expensive.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 07:49 AM) I would assume it would be Hudson, however I think I would prefer Escobar to start. And don't be shocked if we trade Gordon if we got MIL 2B in return, Weeks. And then he'd be our two bagger. I like the idea of Floyd/Beckham for Grienke/Weeks. I don't think it's enough though. The Sox would have to give up something else.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 07:47 AM) It comes down to what you think the future is with Viciedo and Quintana and without Peavy, Konerko, Youkilis, A.J. (A lot of production for ~$40M) not to mention the bounce back year from Dunn, MVP-type year from Rios and Cy Young-type season from Sale. A lot has come together this year, the Sox can't let this opportunity pass by. I agree that the Sox have to do what they can to grab this opportunity...within reason. Personally, I don't see the value of a Quintana for Grienke swap. It might be a slight upgrade for 8-10 starts, but you're sacrificing the future for 2 months. A Floyd for Grienke swap would be an upgrade (slight or maybe a bit better), and you're holding on to that future. If we as White Sox fans have learned anything over the past 7 years (since 2005), it's to dislike the trading of the future of the team for a chance today.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 07:31 AM) I am sure Milwaukee would actually enjoy having Floyd for the rest of this year and next year for 9.5 million. I can see Floyd thriving in the NL. Now the question is, what do the Sox add to that package to sweeten the deal? I was talking to my friends who are Brewer fans and they are DESPERATE for a new SS. Beckham may be exactly what they are looking for.... I might actually like that deal. Floyd and Beckham for Grienke? The problem becomes, who is our second baseman? Hudson most likely.

QUOTE (Real @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 07:12 AM) I hope we don't get Greinke because we're going to have to give up Quintana, I'd bet money on it. I doubt they even want Floyd (who would, especially coming off an injury?) No thanks! Floyd for Grienke is a good deal. Quintana for Grienke is not. I think we can agree that Quintana's success was not a game or two. It comes down to an argument similar to the one regarding Viciedo. Quintana can be a big part of the future of the club. I wouldn't trade him for an almost-sure rental.

QUOTE (scenario @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 03:08 PM) I keep seeing people saying Floyd is the trade chip, but I can't help thinking its Quintana. Q has been great for us this year, but if you were the Brewers which would make more sense to you. A guy getting paid $9m with one year left before free agency... Or a 23 year old (lefty) at league minimum they could control for the next 5 years. And for us... Q is in the same dangerous territory that Sale is reaching innings wise. One of the main reasons for us to get another starter is to cover innings Sale and Q may not be able to pitch. What good would it do us down the stretch if we give up a 200+ inning guy like Floyd and then still be forced to dip into the minors to get coverage for Sale/Q when they max out? My guess... Quintana and Beckham are being offered along with one or more minor leaguers. In my opinion, that would be overpaying. I'm sure the Brewers would love Qunitana, but he could be great for the Sox for quite a while and not cost much. Beckham, I'm ready to say he can go. Floyd and Beckham for Grienke and one more? Maybe.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 03:05 PM) If the Sox trade Floyd for Greinke, even if Greinke walks, that should be an upgrade this season, even if its only one or two extra wins, they probably are needed, and it frees up almost $10 million for next year for some kind of replacement. That part of the trade makes a lot of sense. Its what else that is the concern, because there has to be something else. Oh, yeah, a Floyd for Grienke deal is good for the Sox, rental or not. But you're right, there has to be something else involved.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 03:00 PM) You seriously want to pay Greinke $23 million per season for 5 years? Why? I just don't see the Sox EVER paying that much for a pitcher. I'd rather see a deal for someone else (Johnson, Buehrle, etc.).

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 02:55 PM) Guys relax, Kenny is not an idiot. He is not going go make a move that will significantly effect the team. Viciedo, Alexi, Reed, all are too important THIS year. They have valuable rolls they play. I'm pretty confident if this gets done we will be parting with Beckham+Floyd+ a spect or two for Grienke+ Weeks+ K-Rod IMO. That is a blockbuster and adds to the team significantly for THIS year. That's what I see happening if this happens. That seems like robbery on the Sox's part. I agree that if this deal goes down, it's Floyd + a prospect for Grienke...at a minimum. I am afraid that the Sox may overpay. If there aren't talks right away of extending him (Grienke), the Sox may/will way overpay for a 2 month rental.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 25, 2012 -> 06:29 PM) If Beckham has any value at all, I'd trade him and begin the parade of journeymen second basemen. It's not a critical position. There's no way Beckham is going to be a star, so get something for him this winter and bring in Grudzelanik types (I realize he's retired) or Getz fill in types. Let somebody else try to get Beckham to use a smaller bat and become a singles, doubles hitter. I think Beckham's another Betancourt/Lillibridge type guy who thinks he's a power bat when he's not. If any other GM would be willing to take Beckham as part of a trade for a starter, I say go for it. I wouldn't give him up for nothing, but he certainly couldn't be the centerpiece of any deal. His defense is great, but I believe he's had ample time to develop into the hitter everyone thought he could be. If Beckham is traded (and I don't see that happening), plugging a Hudson/Lillibridge type guy would be okay. Again, that's only if trading Beckham brings back something of value.

Peavy has to set the tone tonight! And it would be nice if the offense shows up.

Alright! It's Friday, and I'm leaving for vacation in the morning. The beer shall flow tonight as I hopefully watch a White Sox winner. Speaking of, what's your beverage of choice, Joxer?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 20, 2012 -> 06:30 AM) Defense. If Youk doesn't get a hit, you have a 1-0 game and Youk & his tight hamstring are at 3rd or Hudson is. Obviously, Escobar's defense sucked on that throw, but I believe that was Robin's thinking, which I don't necessarily disagree with. Escobar certainly did not execute though. I would think, then, that Youk's hamstring might have been a little more than just tight. I hope I'm wrong. But, did anyone else feel that the team lacked something without Youk? I truly believe he makes other players better by just being the guy he is.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 06:39 PM) Most people despise me, but please believe me when I humbly, truthfully state this fact: "I am not a troll." Go SOX! I'm not sure people despise you, Greg. I would say a majority of folks on this board disagree with you at times (Ozzie), but for the most part your posts are not of the trolling variety. Your staunch defense of Ozzie is admirable.

I haven't seen a loss like last night in a while. Robin has done a great job with this team, but he made some really bad decisions last night. First, why didn't Youkilis pinch hit for Escobar? Lefty-righty s*** be damned, Youk was the much better option there. And why oh why did Thornton start that inning? If he wanted a lefty to face Crawford, let Quintana pitch to him. I could hear the diasappointment in Hawk's voice from the beginning of the inning. He knew it was a bad decision, too. Oh well. I hope that loss doesn't start a downward spiral going into Detroit. 2 of 3 is almost a must this weekend.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 02:08 PM) I respectfully disagree about development in August and September when the team is in a race. A starter, a reliever, and a platoon partner for LF, in that order. I agree with the first two, although they might be equally important depending on Danks. I admire your passion about platooning Viciedo, but you don't think that there might be other positions where you could argue the same point? DH, 2B, C...

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 02:00 PM) Player development should never be a consideration in August and September when the team is in as close of a race as they are. In short, it's winning time and even a small upgrade in LF could win you a game and in a tight race that could be the difference. Player development should always be a consideration. I agree that wins are that much more important in August and September, but the Sox have been winning with Viciedo in LF. I honestly don't see any move the Sox could logically make that would make that much of an improvement in LF. To get a player that would make enough of a difference to consider benching/platooning Viciedo would cost too much.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 01:43 PM) Why is there even a debate? Juan Pierre's wOBA is like 8 points higher than Viciedo's this year and this is the best Juan's hit since 2009. If Juan Pierre needs to hit .310 to be better than Viciedo hitting .250, then there shouldn't be a debate. Mostly because Pierre's not going to keep up the .310 pace (because he's just not that good of a hitter, especially at this point in his career) and Viciedo sure as hell isn't going to have a .323 wOBA all year long. Both don't walk, both make a lot of outs, both are below average in the outfield. But at least Viciedo gives you pop instead of the occasional double Pierre MIGHT provide you. Did I mention one of them is 23 and the other is in his mid-30s? Pretty much sums it up. I'm all for making the team better, but you're not going to see much of an improvement (if any) if you replace/platoon Juan Pierre for Viciedo. Realistically, if you want to improve LF and the hitter that occupies LF, you're not going to do that without giving up a lot more than you'd want to. Besides, as I've said before, you have to consider the development of Viciedo.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 12:30 PM) Rick Ankiel is theoretically available...was designed for assignment. I didn't know he still played.

QUOTE (Cali @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 01:10 PM) Adam Dunn is hilarious. Yeah, this had me laughing out loud: "The guy crushes food," said teammate Adam Dunn. "He eats more than anybody in the world, and he gets so excited when he gains two pounds. All I have to do is think about eating and I gain four pounds. Me and CC Sabathia are fat dudes who are trying to be skinny. Sale is a skinny dude who's trying to get fat."

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 19, 2012 -> 09:09 AM) Well yea, Pierre comes cheaply because he sucks And (here's the key point) he's not likely to maintain his pace. Especially considering he'd be platooned and only be playing 50%-60% of the time. Besides, you'd be sacrificing a TON of power.

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 01:45 PM) Are we sure Marty isn't Juan Pierre, or his agent? No. Juan would admit that he's playing above where he should be right now and won't be able to sustain the pace. Besides, he's probably happy in Philly.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 12:39 PM) Pierre sucks at baseball. Still an upgrade over Viciedo against RH'ers. The reason this is still going on is because people are defending Viciedo instead of saying yeah, he struggles mightily against RH'ers at this point in his career. Can't say anything remotely bad about Viciedo. I don't think anyone has argued that Viciedo struggles against right-handers. We all know that. The argument is that you do not platoon a guy...you know what forget it. It's just not worth it anymore.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 18, 2012 -> 10:15 AM) Project the Sox 2015 starting lineup and rotation from the players currently on their major league roster and in their system. You know you can't do that. So, the Sox will not make any trades or free agent signings between now and April, 2015? Come on.