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QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 9, 2008 -> 12:11 PM) They both have policy "books" out there, as do other candidates to varying extents. They also both make short speeches, like last night, that don't go into specifics. But the in between stuff - debates, longer speeches - Obama has been much more specific than Edwards. This is my observation. hm. ok.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 9, 2008 -> 09:16 AM) Balta, this doesn't win it for Hillary any more than Iowa won it for Obama. MI is irrelevant (as Rex said), so SC and NV are big. If Clinton sweeps those, then I think Obama is on the ropes. If Obama wins both, Clinton is on the ropes. A split means Super Tuesday is really fun. By the way, that huge lead she had nationally (for Super Tuesday)? Going... gone. Super Tuesday is very much an open question. but now Obama's gonna have a harder time swinging the black vote in SC - they LOVE the Clintons and now they have a reason to vote for them. Also, it's proof of how much implicit racism still exists. In a caucus that disappears because you have to stand in front of your friends and say whom you support. In a primary it's you alone with your thoughts. In canvassing I met people who said "my dad doesnt think a black man should be president". yeah... you're dad AND you. It's real and it's gonna get MORE real in the south. I really don't think Obama can win this thing. and as for Edwards - he's gonna stay in till the convention. He's not far behind on delegates right now and he's gonna have leverage that way. And I'm all for it. I'd rather have Hillary be the nom than Obama so I love that he'll help keep Obama down. Obama wouldn't win against McCain in November. Obama wouldn't win against Huckabee. Not ONLY is he black but the GOP doesn't play nice - they'd rip him apart. Then when he tries to fight back he'll mess up his "nice guy" image. He's screwed.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 10:27 PM) I don't see that at all. Edwards is specific about his history and his upbringing, and about random people suffering, but he says absolutely nothing about policy. Obama is far more specific on that than Edwards or Clinton. The only candidate left for the Dems who is more specific on issues than Obama is Richardson. do you realize how horribly backwards that is???? Obama the king of rhetoric? Edwards had an 80 page policy book out months before Obama got his little pamphlet together.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 04:02 PM) I am now very curious. What is the information you guys are being given? And what is the new "plan" in the Edwards camp? it's just a gut feeling. huge turnout, nice weather, otherwise nothing new... just a feeling. but in any case - we're not gonna drop out. the plan is now to let Clinton go ballistic on Obama and implode. Once she does, and maybe hurts Obama in the process, come back out as the nice guy. We'll see, may not work - in fact probably wont, but who knows. lol.

ok new predictions. we're gonna get rocked.

QUOTE(longshot7 @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 12:32 AM) Agreed. And Edwards has that smarmy trial lawyer delivery down pat - and that's not good. A lot of people see him as the "say anything to get elected" type. even though he's the exact opposite....? i understand y'all don't like trial lawyers apparently, but i'm staying right now with a doctor who is a die hard edwards supporter. hmmm interesting that he doesn't fault him for his career choice. Edwards, if you actually talked to the man - if you actually listened - is the most genuine candidate i think we've seen in a long time. why is it that every other candidate keeps stealing his ideas, platforms, even speeches? Yesterday i heard Clinton say "this is very personal for me". Straight out of John Edwards. Obama said "I walk the walk". Straight out of John Edwards. The health care plans? Edwards came up with it first - they took it and called it their own. He's been a leader on almost every issue but he's not black and he's not a woman so the media didn't care. He also is against the giant corporate conglomerates that RUN the media... so they have a stake in him losing. look - yesterday i met some incredible people. people with nothing - literally clawing to survive. a house made of wooden shingles and a tin roof. IN AMERICA. These people have been thrown by the wayside. The husband of a couple i met lost his job cuz he was hurt. Now he's "supporting" his family off of SS. for how long? and is that enough? no. They told me about friends dying because they didn't have health insurance. I talked with him and his wife for half an hour yesterday and when i left i was near tears because it was that heartbreaking. I've never been so inspired in my life This is who Edwards is fighting for. These people NEED this man. Obama can't do it - doesn't have the balls. Clinton can't do it - she just doesn't care about these people. You all can bicker all you want about this that and the other, but right now I'm out here fighting for people with nothing and i'm fighting against huge odds to get a man into office who can change this country. Y'all might think i'm a bit crazy - but sometimes you need crazy people out there if you want to actually accomplish something.

right. Edwards beating Clinton is what we're hoping for - and it may just become a reality. all day i've been canvassing and convincing people to go from Clinton to Edwards and it's been working. She's been doing a number on herself on her own - crying and such - and most people i talk to, edwards supporters or no, have said "anyone but hillary!" the newest poll has us within 6 of clinton and with the way she's going down and the way we're shooting up around here... it'll be interesting.

news from the NH front - look for some interesting results tomorrow night... that's all i'm gonna say.

QUOTE(Alpha Dog @ Jan 3, 2008 -> 10:50 PM) I would rather people be well informed instead of just interested. Too many 'single issue' voters really doesn't do justice to the system as a whole. But I guess you have to start somewhere. i actually agree with you. bizarre.

this is me eating crow. i truly didnt believe that this election would defy history but it did - people came out, the youth came out, the independents came out. congrats Obama. but lemme tell ya, we're not done yet. I'm headed to New Hampshire tomorrow to work my ass off. if we can get 2nd in NH and knock off clinton it's a whole new ballgame.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jan 2, 2008 -> 10:41 PM) You willing to give me the points on that spread? dont worry, if i have to eat crow tomorrow i will in the biggest of ways. i'm good for it.

actually i'm going to take mine back. Edwards 41% Obama 32% Clinton 24% I don't think it's gonna be as close as people think.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 2, 2008 -> 06:52 PM) Because I'm fully convinced there are things that the government can and must do for Americans to maintain and improve upon their current quality of life, and eliminating the government would be a gigantic step backwards. I'll leave it at that level, the principle level, without elaborating here. I would also find it to be very difficult for him to win the Democratic primary, btw. well said sir.

Edwards Clinton Obama those are my predictions.

shocking - the guy who did the poll backing his poll...

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 2, 2008 -> 08:47 AM) Interesting. On the one hand, it sure does seem bizarre to have your results rely on something so unusual. On the other hand, as it says in that article, the Register is looked at as the most reliable poll in Iowa. And of course with this year's Dem race so tight, there is certainly an argument that if such a turnout ever happened, this might be it. I don't know. Hard to say. I certainly wouldn't throw it out, given its the Register, has a larger pool than most other polls, and the race is so sensitive this year. But I would take it with a grain of salt. i just severely doubt that this election will defy history. that's what everyone said last time and yes, turnout was up, but not by all that much - and not specifically in any one demographic either. There is really NO WAY that 60% of caucus goers will be first timers, and even LESS likely that 45% will NOT be democrats. I mean, really?

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/poll_des_moi...terselzer_1.php

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jan 1, 2008 -> 09:58 PM) Nice attempt at spin. I'm not buying it. If the final Des Moines register poll had Edwards at 32% then it would be a good poll that has been historically accurate. Since it had Obama in the lead it's faulty. If Kucinich asked his supporters to choose Edwards as a 2nd choice candidate then it would be a big deal for the Edwards campaign. Since he chose Obama it's irrelevant and his supporters probably wouldn't listen to his request anyway. you got it. except for the Register Poll. in that i'm actually right - it's not spin. 60% were new voters and 45% were independents or republicans. That is NOT a good basis for an accurate poll. not even you can deny that.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jan 1, 2008 -> 09:42 PM) So now you are an expert on what Kucinich supporters will do on Thursday? What evidence do you have that they "will probably go Edwards" as you say....other than the fact that you support Edwards? because Edwards is closest to them in ideology and Kucinich supporters are smart people who care about the issues. Obama and Kucinich are about as far apart on the issues as possible. The statement Kucinich made was out of a personal dislike for Edwards - not a policy move.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jan 1, 2008 -> 09:27 PM) If Kucinich only gets 1 or 2% support in a precinct and they all wind up going to Obama then that is huge. Nadar isn't even on the ballot so his endorsement is irrelevant since there is no 2nd choice opportunity. my point is that Kucinich people wont all go to Obama. Many will just leave, many will be to stuck in their ways to go to Obama and will probably go Edwards, and then some WILL go to Obama.

so the Des Moines Register poll can be essentially be thrown out because out of those polled, 60% were new voters. That's insanity. Of course that makes it swing for Obama but there is NO WAY that that many new voters will ever turn out. Nothing of that magnitude has ever happened in the history of the United States so why would it happen now?

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jan 1, 2008 -> 02:58 PM) Kucinich asks supporters to choose Obama as 2nd choice. And Nader endorsed Edwards so that'll split that wacko left wing vote btw Obama and Edwards

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 1, 2008 -> 12:50 PM) But... this CNN poll shows that maybe Barack's support isn't entirely out of the picture... Clinton: 33% Obama: 31% Edwards: 22% wow. literally ANYTHING could happen. this is insane.

seems to me to a be a pretty big outlier - none of the other polls are anywhere near those numbers. but regardless, maybe he's bouncing back. who knows. all of this really is entirely up in the air.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Dec 31, 2007 -> 05:39 PM) He has zero foreign policy credentials see pakistan.