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Lakers were probably better off not doubling Noah. Kobe seemed to have Noah in a bad spot.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 21, 2013 -> 10:43 PM) It's currently owned by an 80 year old widow. As you might imagine, it sort of has the look of a home owned by an 80 year old woman...a lot of renovations would need to be done to the inside, the land needs a lot of landscaping, pool needs to be resurfaced, etc. I was going to say that I have an image in my mind of what I assume you want it to look like, and that includes repainting the house etc. You have to glam up a sweet house like that.

That is sweet as hell.

Well played sir.

Following = Good Pretty excited about where this is going. I wont say anything to avoid any sort of spoiler but looks like an interesting crime drama.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 21, 2013 -> 08:08 PM) Apparently lawyers don't like boobs. Call me a contrarian but I like a pretty face more than boobs.

Hopefully "The Following" doesnt disappoint. Its on the heels of a great Bones.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 21, 2013 -> 04:51 PM) When Stern presented him with the award he screamed "GIVE ME THAT!" and snatched it away. Would have been funnier if it was Boozer then proceeded to try and rip award away, resulting in it falling to ground and breaking with boozer tapping his chest and saying "my bad".

Yeah it was pretty trivial, I agree. I just found it extremely annoying to read people championing Mrs. Welker, when she just was having a tantrum because Wes dropped a pass and likely isnt going to be retained by the Patriots.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 21, 2013 -> 06:52 PM) You're a lawyer, we get it badger. What does that have to do with anything? Being a lawyer isnt the reason why I think Wes Welker's wife should keep her mouth closed, its the whole "If you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all." I just find it weak to make these comments after your husband dropped a pass. If she was so upset about Ray Lewis, she should have made the comments before the game, or while Ray Lewis was still playing. Its pretty lame and Im not going to applaud her for that like so many else.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 21, 2013 -> 03:23 PM) I believe there is little evidence because Lewis got rid of his shiny white suit that was supposedly covered in blood. Supposedly And if that is enough for you to convict Ray Lewis, that is fine by me. But I believe that you need evidence. And just because his clothes were gone, that does not mean that there is no evidence. And how would his clothes have changed the verdict? They were found NOT GUILTY due to SELF DEFENSE. It wasnt "NOT GUILTY BECAUSE THEY WERENT THERE" or "NOT GUILTY NEVER GOT IN A FIGHT". It was "SELF DEFENSE" Now believe that or not, it means that the court found that they were "WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS TO USE DEADLY FORCE." You can accuse Ray Lewis of being a murderer (opinion), you can say Ray Lewis is the worst person in the world, that Ray Lewis is a terrible role model, that Wes Welker is a great role model for getting a hair transplant, whatever. But when you start making s*** up, like Ray Lewis was acquitted just to try and further yourself, or to try and deflect from the fact that Wes Welker f***ed up, you should be called on it. Because Mrs. Welker isnt saying these things because she is so upset about football players being in the NFL that are criminals, she is saying this because her husband dropped a pass he should have caught. Its annoying to say the least.

Ray Lewis wasnt acquitted of murder. He never went to trial on murder. Thats not just a "procedural difference". The implication of her statement is that the Prosecution thought that they had enough to go to verdict on a trial against Lewis, they did not. In fact the prosecution was not even able to convict his 2 friends of murder. The jury found that they acted in self-defense. Which means that their actions were justifiable under the law. Its annoying, and quite frankly Im not sure that there is any evidence that Ray Lewis was directly involved in the stabbing. Im pretty sure that even the prosecution believes that Ray Lewis may have been there, but it was not Ray Lewis who stabbed the man. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...ewis_agreement/ Its just annoying that people parrot what they believe is true because "I saw it on Wikipedia it must be true!." Its quite possible Ray Lewis killed those 2 guys, maybe hes killed 100. But that is mere speculation and the only evidence is "conspiracy theories" which I dont consider compelling or trustworthy.

Miss Hooters should stick to what she is good at, getting paid to take her clothes off. http://www.artclu.com/crew/bfoley/lawscope...ory=10&pg=1 http://www.sptimes.com/News/061300/Sports/...s_acquitt.shtml His 2 friends were also found not guilty, due to self-defense. If Lewis wanted to be funny, he should sue her for defamation/slander. Lewis was not acquitted of murder, the prosecution offered him a plea bargain to testify against his friends, which he took. But really, if she wants to make a difference, maybe she should tweet to Wes about dropping catches that hit him in the hands. At least Giselle had the decency to blame her own team. And Giselle is a million times hotter and richer.

Wisconsin OSU is going to be a good game this year. Id say those should be the early favorites for Big10 champs.

Y2hh, I didnt mean you were German that way. Just that you were likely of German descent. And I have no problem with anyone. Its the past.

And at this point I probably should stop posting. Im going to get way to nasty. Normal people can do bad things. I think I am a normal person. I know I can do bad things. When I read about someone fighting for the Nazi's I want to hurt them. I think of all the people they killed, I think of my Great Uncle who died on D-Day, I want to get my pound of flesh. That doenst make me a bad person, it makes me a human. But I admit I can do terrible things, I admit I am capable of great evil. I just try really hard not to let that happen.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 07:18 PM) Sorry guys, but I have to chime in again. I have quite a unique perspective on what life was like in Nazi Germany, as my dad actually lived in it, so I have been privy to what life was actually like from a person that actually lived it until his teens. Also, for full disclosure, and don't hold this against me...my grandfather (my fathers father), fought in WWII on the Nazi side. Like Ptac said, no, these were NOT normal people, because the time, and mostly, the situation in which they lived made them different people. In ways none of you could imagine. People were starving to death in Germany, so to quote the phrase, 'don't bite the hand that feeds you', fits more so than it would here, at this present time. If Hitler commanded one of his people to do something heinous, they did it, not only out of fear of the man that went from a being a lowly Private in WW1 to leading that entire country by WW2, but because he owned them to the point that he'd slaughter their families for disobeying. Hitler also had something pretty infamous called the SS...and THOSE were the people that carried out his most heinous orders. And again, the SS were NOT ordinary people, so please, can it. That s*** wouldn't happen here. Some of you may hate Obama with every fiber of your being, but I guarantee the man would NEVER order his military to airstrike his own civilians. But again, that's Obama, in 2013. We don't know who will come into power in 2090 or what the state of the world will be like at that time...and the point is, we are a completely different people, living in a completely different world than the people who lived in Nazi Germany, following Hitlers command to the most minute detail. Hitler commanded a rather small, well trained military in his time, in addition to an even smaller and super well trained to the point of being robotic SS. Our current military, by size alone, would be IMPOSSIBLE to control in the same manner. So please, let's stop pretending otherwise. Not to be a dick, but as soon as I read the first post by you that I quoted, I knew you were German. You obviously have a much different perspective, part of my family were Germans who escaped from Germany on the famous last boat out. They described it much differently. They are the minority obviously, most of the Germans who survived, were the Nazis, not the Jews. So history will be rewritten, eventually the German people will be victims just like the Jews. Its okay, normal people do bad things. You dont have to further the myth. It could happen here. It could happen here. It could happen here. Under the right circumstances, it could happen here. If you want to make sure it never happens again, if you want to make sure then you have to believe it could happen here. Anything else and we start down the path again. You just dont understand, I dont even understand.

I knew Wisconsin was going to play terrible at Iowa, they always do.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 06:53 PM) By the way I agree that "not normal" people can gain control in government. That is why I prefer more local control On the actual gun topic we might agree. My belief is I dont care if texas wants to let their citizens buy tanks, just like Chicago should be able to say that their citizens cant have guns on the street.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 06:47 PM) True, but by that time. It was just "time to save ourselves because the enemy is coming." Once again, this is the German myth narrative. When the Germans really lost, they started to run to the Western Front (US/UK) so that they would be captured by the Americans and not the Soviets. So when they were killing Jews on there way back to Germany and the German people were lying to allies and helping the Nazis, they were doing it because they believed the Nazis could win, because they wanted the Nazis to win. (edit) and no I dont think we will agree, good luck on your flight.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 06:38 PM) Normal people are capable of those things. But not murder on a scale that the Nazi's did. Was the US capable of eradicating the Native Americans? Was the US capable of enslaving a race of people for skin color? The entire problem is that the good of society relies on the few in power to make good decisions for the whole. Most people will blindly believe what they are told by the follower of their choice. Poor, uneducated, the masses are easily manipulated into believing that what they are doing is "right" or "good". They do not even believe what they are doing is wrong. On these boards I get called a contrarian, devils advocate, etc. I dont try to be, but when you objectively look at many things, you see how easy people get swept up in the moment, how easy emotion takes over and a normal group of people can be capable of doing the most cruel and disgusting thing. Nazi's were normal people. Normal people can do terrible things. The normal people of the US allowed govt of the US to drop an atomic bomb on the normal people of Japan. The normal people of Japan were willing to fly to their own death to kill the normal people of America. We all fight for our own, we all create "others". We just always need to remember that we must treat our most hated enemy, better than they would ever treat us. Because otherwise we can always justify our cruelness and terribleness as being "normal."

QUOTE (Jake @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 06:15 PM) Would Americans have been pro-Holocaust? No, but unfortunately there was a pervasive atmosphere worldwide that allowed this sort of thing to be ignored. While I wouldn't want to say that bad government and genocide can't happen again in the Western world, it seems far less likely since it happened on such a large, public scale. And if you would have asked a German Jew who served for Germany in WWI if they thought in 20 years theyd be in a death camp because they were anti-German, they would have said you were crazy. Desperate times cause people to cling to desperate beliefs.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 05:41 PM) For this part, I guess we disagree on the definition of normal. This does happen throughout history. What Stalin did to his own people is nothing compared to what Hitler did to the Jews. However, anyone who can do this to people, even the bully in the school who beats on other kids for fun, I do not consider normal. Then we disagree on normal. I consider the normal human capable of bullying, capable of being mean, capable of creating cliques, capable of creating hypocritical rules for their own favor. I think the normal human is capable of committing crimes, capable of scams, capable of lying. I think that anyone who claims that they are not capable of that would be abnormal or a liar. Historically speaking, war is the natural state of humans. Peace is a new phenomenon. Less than 500 years ago it would have been extremely acceptable to kill someone for being a different religion, race etc. It would be nice to believe that this relatively peaceful time is "normal" but based on the normal use of that term, it just cant be. War is more normal. QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 05:50 PM) Again I'm not saying that none of the German agreed with him. He happened to catch a country that was ripe for this type of thing. They were in extreme poverty caused by other countries putting sanctions on them and making them pay for the previous war they had just lost. The entire country blamed the other countries around them for their problems. So with his friends and backing along with his extraordinary oratory skills (I hope I spelled that right) Germany was in a unique position for someone like him to come along. This is the classic argument, everything is always unique. You are right, there will never be another time that is exactly 1920's Germany. Never again. So I guess we shouldnt really think about it critically, because its a fact, it will never ever happen again. The problem is, that if you look at it in the broader picture "minority being massacred by majority" and "minority being used as scapegoat for ills of majority" there are innumerable examples of it in history, basically every single country has experienced. So I guess I dont think its very unique. QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 05:59 PM) Therein lies the key. Forced labor, slavery all of that while horrible does not come near to what Hitler and some of the SS death squad who were mostly deposed aristocracy) did. These were a select few who needed to blame someone for theie problems. Once Hitler came along with his "philosophy" the selceted group jumped on it. And the people followed. The facts are not in dispute, except for German/Nazi apologists. When the Nazi's were retreating, did the regular German's free the concentration camps? Did they help the Jews? Did they even tell the allies that a bunch of people were being murdered? The answer is no. When the Nazis fled concentration camps, they either killed everyone or they locked them in and left them to die. Lets call a spade a spade. They were complicit. This is not some "every German was forced to kill millions of people by gunpoint" they gladly joined in, because they were all going to become rich and powerful. Thats human nature, greed. QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 06:01 PM) If you agree with all of this, why are you happy with allowing the government to have more control over anything? If the normal people currently in our government are capable of these atrocities then you should push for government de-regulation so they cannot do this type of thing. If I thought that humans were good, I would agree that there should be no govt. But unfortunately I think like Hobbes that life without govt would cruel and short. I agree with Locke that we have to give up some rights, and I agree with John Stuart Mill that the rights we give up should be based on utility (if I dont harm you, you dont harm me.) I just dont think that guns being legal or illegal has any relevance to the rise of Hitler. If anything, the type of fervent support behind it, is the exact emotion that a Hitler plays upon. Ive read the books, I did the work. This was my focus in college. We are soon coming upon the days when people will start to agree with you, that it was just a few bad people, when almost anyone that actually was in Germany or was in WWII would say the exact opposite. Maybe one day you will get a chance to actually know or meet someone who lived in Nazi Germany and escaped. Unfortunately the ones I knew are dead now, but it wasnt just a few "rich aristocrats". It was the German people. The regular every day Joe, was the backbone of the Nazi party. The Hitler youth, the regular people.

I get that people who are part of the majority do not want to believe that it was just a regular guy who would become the one to flip the switch for the gas chambers, but that is the truth. Even Schindler, who was one of the best towards the Jews, only did it for money to start. He was using Jews from forced labor. It was only after he saw his "workers being murdered" that he got upset because he was losing a valuable commodity. Most humans accept speciesism. Whether its okay to kill a fly, a mouse, a chicken, whatever. Most people have a point where they think "its okay to kill that" or "its okay to test on that" or "its okay to work it to death." In Nazi Germany it became acceptable that Jews were less than Human. So normal human rights did not apply. They did not think they were doing anything wrong. If Germany would have won, would all of those poor unfortunate Germans have freed the Jews? Would they have stopped killing Jews? No. They wanted the Jews eradicated. It wasnt just Hitler or a handful of people.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 04:07 PM) Much of Hitler's influence began with mobs and beatings. He did it politically as time went on but early on he strong armed his way like a mafia influence. Not really. Hitler used the Beer Hall Putsch and his subsequent arrest/media exposure to as a way to become a public figure. I think you are confusing once Hitler was already powerful and the Brown Shirts (Nazi supporters) began to attack the German military. The German military was separate from Hitler to start and under Hindenburg. When the Brown Shirts (SA) got out of control, Hitler had to destroy the SA and Rohm to show that he was not supporting the violence on the street. If you are interested its called "Night of Long Knives" when the SS (Hitlers guard) kills the SA (Rohm and the Brownshirts, the thugs). QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 04:11 PM) They were not normal people. Most of the higher ranking people were just sick with power or had other problems. The people at the lower levels were just afraid for their lives as their neighbors disappeared. Let's take medicine for example. Where did he get the idea that cold can help injuries. How cold can the the skin get before it breaks down? It all comes from experiences that the Nazi physician's did with freezing (and killing people at the concentration camps. These people are not normal. A normal human being could not do that to another. I disagree. A normal person can do these things. If you look at history, it is more common for people to do things like Hitler to minorities, than for people to treat minorities equally. Normal people thought slaves werent human, normal people thought Jews werent human. They werent killing a human. They were killing a Jew, a Christ killer who killed God and destroyed Germany. The Jews were the reason that Germans were poor. The Jews were the reason why all of the bad things happened. In America we have no problem shooting terrorists with drones. Most normal Americans dont care. Yet you believe normal Germans cared about Jews, who were considered enemies of the state and were worse than terrorists? They were normal people. QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 04:15 PM) This is like saying Americans wanted President Obama. Did the majority obviously. However, this was only to make Hitler Chancellor not dictator. Hitler took that. It would be like the President getting his supporters in the military than dissolving congress and the supreme court. The German people did not vote for that. This is exactly what I am talking about. In 100 years it will be that Hitler acted alone, that not 1 German civilian went along with it. You just proved my point. The people in the military went along with it. They did not stop Hitler. They did not say no even though Hitler took more power then he was given. They were complicit. The German army was separate from Hitler to start, but they had no problem supporting him. That is the point, you just made the point. Regular people were part of the Holocaust. Regular soldiers from all parts of Germany. Your comparison isnt very good. It would be like saying that if Obama dissolved govt and then the military by choice joined in with Obama and then none of the people stood up against Obama and said he was wrong. You can claim its fear, but that isnt the point. The point is, regular people, due to fear, due to want, due to who cares, killed millions of humans. To say anything else is to just further perpetrate the myth that somehow Nazi Germany is "different" and that "wont happen anywhere else.