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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 02:02 PM) This isn't a "conviction" and Paterno's wins weren't directly vacated, PSU's wins were. This is why your comparison to JPM makes no mistake. JPM has money Dimon has money They are not the same money, so when JPM gets fined, it does not touch Dimon's money. When you have wins, that are the schools, that are the coaches and the players, you have a much different issue. Forgetting Paterno for a second, what about the players? They did nothing wrong, yet all of their victories are now tarnished. If JPM makes a mistake, the regular employees dont lose money that they already earned. Its just a far more complicated issue, and yeah its easy to say "PSU deserves it", but does everyone at PSU really deserve it? I dont know.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 01:53 PM) You keep shifting from institutional (PSU, Barclays) to individual (Paterno, CEO). It doesn't make any sense. SEC regulators are not going to call in Jamie Dimon's family to investigate what went wrong on JPM trades because that would be dumb. Im not shifting, I am talking about Paterno's wins being vacated, not PSU. You could punish the school, but let Paterno keep the victories. This isnt about PSU, its about Paterno. You are the one who cant seem to differentiate between penalties against PSU and penalties against Paterno. If they thought that Jamie Dimon stole money (criminal act) I guarantee they would call in his wife. You are comparing apples and oranges. Fining JPM is not equivalent to individually holding Dimon liable. In order to pierce the corporate veil, they would need to show more. The same idea should apply to PSU/Paterno. This is the last thing Im most likely going to say. The problem I have with Strangesox position, is that it is so very easy to just convict. Everyone likes a good conviction, everyone likes the bad guy to go away, its just easy to be on that side. The problem is that every once in a while, we make a mistake, and that person isnt actually guilty. So I am of the opinion, that you take every precaution to make sure that you dont make that mistake.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 01:44 PM) This whole thing would not be "wrapped up," the Paternos would still be whining to anyone and everyone about how great of a person JoePa was and how he's being unfairly treated. You keep analogizing Penn State University Football and the sanctions handed down by the NCAA to a criminal individual and their family. It's nonsense. If Barclays gets heavily sanctioned over the LIBOR manipulation, are they going to bring in the CEO's brother before they determine what to do? Id bet that if they thought the CEO was stealing money theyd bring in his wife. Brother is not equal to wife. The law provides for spousal immunity because most people share information with their husband/wife. There is no "family immunity" because it doesnt work that way. So yes Id bet they bring in the wife. I bet they brought in Sandusky's wife to ask her what she knew, I bet they brought in Madoff's wife. Even in a civil lawsuit, you depose the wife, just in case.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 01:44 PM) link? http://www.solomonsimmons.com/ncaa-sanctio...-penn-st-wrong/ http://michaelbucknerlaw.wordpress.com/201...nst-penn-state/ Its still early, most lawyers wont crank this stuff out that quick. Im guessing by the end of the week there is more information.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 01:42 PM) Get off of the high horse. I swear I picture you as a Mob lawyer with every post you make. Ive never defended a criminal in my life. I just care about the system, and the system works best when we defend the worst as hard we defend the best. I can not be a criminal attorney, because I could not live with myself If I was able to get a criminal off on a technicality. But the system does need those who are willing to live with that. /shrugs

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 01:39 PM) Does it? Are there rules saying that they can't do this? I'm betting that there aren't. Some law blogs are saying they violated Federal Law. I am not that well versed in it, and I am not going to read the entire NCAA Rule Book to find out.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 01:36 PM) You've lost all of us. What is the Paterno family going to say, and why is it relevant? Are they going to prove the emails were fake? All the evidence is there. Hearing about him being a great family man doesn't do anything. I dont know what they would say. But I certainly believe that they should be able to say it, and then once you have all the facts make a decision. /shrugs As I said before, even a criminal gets to have his family ask for leniency. You dont have to give it, but this whole thing would be wrapped up if they simply let the Paterno's vent, and then handed out the same penalties. I dont really care, I think the NCAA is a sham, but thats an argument for a different day.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 01:35 PM) Nah, I'll safely assume that the NCAA does not give one s*** what a coach's wife/family thinks before handing down sanctions for improper behavior. The answer is no, the reason is because it doesn't matter what Joe's wife or his son think. Their input into sanctions on PSU football would be useless. They do not have additional facts or information relevant to the NCAA's decision that the NCAA would not have already had from independent and internal investigations. Its not about what his wife thinks. Its about does his wife have relevant information to the investigation. You cant willfully ignore witnesses who may have information that hurts your case. How do you know this? How do you know that Paterno's wife didnt have information that could exculpate her husband? What if Sandusky threatened to kill Paterno's family if he didnt cover up the abuse? You dont think that would have impacted whether they would have vacated Paterno's wins? It doesnt really matter, most American's are convict first ask questions later, I understand that I will always be in the minority. It sucks, but whatever, I really dont care that much on this subject.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 01:29 PM) They vacated PSU Football's wins. They did not specifically remove Paterno's name from the records while leaving everything else intact. Did the NCAA invite Tressle's wife in for an interview before determining what to do with OSU? Did they talk to Glena Carroll before handing down USC's punishment? I dont know, you are trying to disprove my argument, go find the facts yourself. The better question is, in an investigation, did they not interview people who wanted to be interviewed.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 01:27 PM) This was about the PSU Football program, not NCAA sanctions on the former, now-deceased coach. So NCAA didnt vacate paterno's wins? News to me.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 01:26 PM) This has nothing to do with the legal process. Could you drop the sleazy defense attorney schtick for 5 minutes? Oh Im sorry the NCAA doesnt have rules it has to follow. Go back to your summary executions! Your bias clouds your arguments.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 01:19 PM) What valid input into NCAA institutional sanctions would the Paterno family have? I dont know, how would I know unless they are given the chance to present their evidence. Even a criminal at a sentencing hearing can have his family testify about why he is a good person and doesnt deserve to go to jail for X years.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 01:19 PM) LOLZ They had an impartial party investigate. An investigation is not equal to a trial. As Americans we have a society where even the worst are given the same protections as the best. If the case is so easy, so cut and dry, have the hearing, let Paterno's family try and defend him, and then find against him. I see no reason to skip that step. /shrugs Would it have mattered if they gave out the suspensions today, or next week after Paterno's family made fool of themselves trying to defend this?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 01:14 PM) Why does the Paterno family think they should have had any input into the NCAA sanctions? Why would the family of an accused want to have a fair trial, hearing or have their day in the sun? I dont know, but Im sure you can figure it out.

QUOTE (Rex Hudler @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 12:48 PM) I'm one of the few that think the NCAA was out of bounds here and got caught up in media frenzy/court of public opinion/mob mentality (you choose). I don't agree with the NCAA's actions at all. And I am NOT a Penn St. fan or a Paterno apologist. I agree that it is not so clear cut, but I dont care enough to get involved. Do I think that the punishment will likely dissuade future action? Sure, but youd hope that criminal penalties to Sandusky, etc would deter any future coach or administration. Nobodies a winner in all of this, just different losers.

Havent seen Mayo that much, no one is saying Moore is anywhere on Wades level, just the way he plays offense, pick and roll, iso, trying to get to the hoop, remind me of Wade, same with his size. I can only compare to the players I know, I doubt at the NBA level hes going to be a great 3 point shooter, more going to have to get to the basket.

Another lazy off speed pitch that gets crushed.

Aj loses handle cant throw out Cabrera, sad.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 04:26 PM) Everything about this afternoon is starting to piss me off. Youre not excited about the tales of Ron Santo, in a game that has nothing to do with Ron Santo?

It wasnt just MLB, it was in the history of sports broadcasting.

Its like Sale lost focus for a moment, damn.

1-0 woooooo

If the team was on a winning streak obvious troll wouldnt be posting. Youve been on this website almost 10 years, cant you tell the difference between people who are here to just get people riled up, and those who are actual posters? Its a boring joke, its like going down to a little field and heckling children to make yourself feel good. Takes a real piece of work to be that miserable inside, and also that they so disliked that they have nothing better to do.

Well this thread is about to go to hell because people cant ignore the obvious troll. I do not understand why people on the internet feel the need to respond to every trash post. If you walk past a rambling lunatic on the street, do you stop and talk to them?

Why even respond to nonsense posts?