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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 05:45 PM) I wish the Bulls would go out and trade for Dwight or make a serious run (consequences be damned). And just to be an ass, didn't Bo make a pretty big in-game coaching mistake in the most recent NCAA tourneys? I agree on Howard completely. Just go for it, whatever happens happens. Sometimes you gotta take risks in live. Yes Bo has made mistakes (hes human). But Bielama didnt even know the rules in the Rose Bowl, and has done so many other things that make me cry. And you dont have to worry, people argue when they care about things. Most of us are Bulls fans, we want the Bulls to win Championships. Id rather be wrong and the Bulls win, then be right have them lose. So its just for fun.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 05:37 PM) I don't know, I've seen you slam Thibbs for everything. I've watched the team, I've heard the players, I've heard the experts, and I've heard nothing but 100% praise for the way he coaches and prepares his team, for his in-game changes, etc. How often did you see Thibbs run with the 2nd unit for extended periods because it worked. A lot of coaches wouldn't do that (that is an in-game adjustment). He would occasionally go to the bench early, use different guys (e.g., make adjustments). I really think the only way you don't complain about Thibbs is if he won a title. And to be honest, that isn't always the best way to gauge a coach. Heck, given the Spurs got destroyed in the playoffs, why shouldn't Pop be fired? He didn't even have an injury to its MVP and starting center as an excuse. And I'm only being an ass to point out these things because you have been so strong on the other side, constantly berating about it, and quite frankly being in the vast majority. I truly think you are one of those fans that will constantly whine and complain and never appreciate anything unless you win (even if it is due to pure luck or in spite of many things). This is really just so opposite of the truth. If Thibs shows a ton of new stuff on offense this year, Id want him signed immediately. Its not about winning a title, that has a lot of luck, its about making changes. Its about seeing problems and addressing them. Ill use an anecdote. I love Bo Ryan, Im not that huge of a fan of Bielema. Both have had success, but 1 I have utmost confidence in during the game (Ryan), the other I always am concerned about. Without actually keeping a game log myself, its hard to say here are the X times Thibs did something I didnt agree with. The reason I talk about it, is because well I am in the minority, so I have to respond to about 10 posts at a time. It happens.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 05:33 PM) Who gives a s*** about the money. Worse case he's a 15M expiring which in and of itself has massive value if the Bulls are over the cap and want to add additional assets. I realize the luxury tax might be an issue but in reality, the luxury tax doesn't exactly prevent the Bulls from signing players, etc. They would still be significantly over the cap. And if they want to clear money for 2014, I fully believe the Bulls could move Asik's contract. If they have another strategy, well they still have an asset that can be used to match salaries, etc, which is pretty key in the NBA. And whether it is 6 months or next off-season, I don't really care too much. That still is in plenty of time to prepare for the 2013 season, which is the more important season anyway. I don't get all that hyped about 2014 since there aren't even any good FA's that year that help the Bulls. I've long argued Bulls should go for broke for Dwight. You have a lot more faith in the Bulls front office than I do. And as much as I am in the minority on Thibs, keeping Asik at 25 mil for 3, is a minority position. But thats why I come to message boards, if I just wanted to hear my opinion, Id talk to myself.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 05:30 PM) You are full of s***, just admit it. In basketball, talent evaluations are made all the time without the basis of money. Your first analysis was totally based off of talent solely focused on free throw shooting, and now you are claiming it's only due to money. You are mitt romney. No Im not. The arguing about Asik started about MONEY. Why would I think all of a sudden we were talking with no money involved? How does that make any sense? You are just upset because you didnt know the NBA rules. Read the threads, go back to the 2011-2012, see how I was the person defending Asik. It makes no sense that Id all of a sudden not like Asik, its only because of MONEY. I just assumed people understood that contracts impact a players value to a team.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 05:29 PM) Coming from the guy who thinks Thibbs should be fired and that Rose's injury is 95% on him, well, that doesn't say much. The point is, given the overall market, Asik isn't going to be ridiculously overpaid. As a UFA he probably gets paid more on average over the contract, however, the CBA prevented teams from offering more. What did the Rockets too, they back loaded it with one large deal but the overall average contract is probably consistent (if not less) then he would get as a UFA, which means, there is potential value to trade him a year from now, in which case, the contract really doesn't matter much (it isn't like the Bulls can spend the money elsewhere, so by matching him they at least get the benefit of trading him for a TPE or draft pick or something else so that they don't waste the asset). Come on man I explicitly didnt say those things. 1) I never said thibs should be fired, I said he should be a wait and see after this season. 2) I never said Rose's injury was "95%" on Thibs, I said that Thibs should have been more careful. Where is that a percentage? Thibs could have been 1% responsible and thats still to much in my opinion. Now in terms of the bulls trading etc, that would be true if I had any faith in the Bulls actually being able to make good trades.

Of course, if you can just sit Asik on the bench and use him sparingly when you need a big guy against certain teams. They have Dexter Pittman, he wouldnt even start for most college teams.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 05:23 PM) I also think given the market for centers, you wouldn't have much difficulty trading him 6 months from now. I believe Asik has to consent to be traded at 6 months, otherwise its not for a year. Zoom would know more than me.

I just can not believe this argument. At least Zoom understands so I have that going for me. For comparison here is Joel Anthony's contract; http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/jul/2...anthony-072310/ 5 years 18mil. If the Bulls could sign Asik for that, Id do it every day of the week. The current offer the bulls have to match is: 3 years 25 mil I just assume that the people in this thread know sports and know that Asik is going to cost more than 2x the amount of Anthony. So you cant say "Oh well hed improve the Heat at the expense of Anthony" because the salaries dont match.

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 05:17 PM) No you were clearly not talking about his contract, you clearly just meant skill wise, that Asik would not fit the Heat starting 5 and would make them worse. NO I WAS NOT. ASIK IS NOT FREE WE CAN NOT LIVE IN FANTASY LAND. I ASSUMED THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTOOD ASIK HAS TO BE PAID TO PLAY. Sorry I didnt make that clear, this is literally become the dumbest argument Ive had today, and I argue with stupid people for a living.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 05:16 PM) Yes, they are 30 other centers in this league that are better then him. You are correct. Most centers in this league can't score and are butterfingers. No one is saying he's Bynum. The dude would start on quite a few teams in this league and is a very capable player (despite the fact that Pop would just use a crushing defensive strategy against him). Even if he dropped half of the passes, he's still getting dunks and converting at a high percentage. Plus, if teams just leave him, then he's got position for offensive boards. I dont even know where this is going anymore. I was one of the biggest Asik supporters on this board. I got in huge fights with people about not trading Asik for Mayo or Courtney Lee. The problem is Asik is not worth the contract, and that is the price the Bulls have to pay.

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 05:15 PM) I was talking about the Heat. The team that has Lebron/Wade/Bosh/Ray Allen. You said Asik would not make the Heat better. Right at $8mil per year, which the Heat cant afford and would have to get rid of Lebron/Wade or Bosh, he does not make the team better. Unless we are living in a fantasy world that Bmags created where another team can get Asik for free. Because I agree, I want the Bulls to keep Asik for free. I do not want the Bulls to keep Asik for $8mil.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 05:13 PM) Nothin about money. Its implied To get Asik youd have to pay $8mil per year.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 05:11 PM) YOU CAN FOUL HIM WITHOUT THE BALL DIDN"T YOU SEE POPOVICHS If you already havent destroyed your credibility on NBA topics, these type of posts surely cant help.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 05:09 PM) Is Asik better than Joel Anthony? yes Is Asik better than Dexter Pittman? Yes Therefore he makes them better. He's better than them even though Dexter Pittman has a scorching 68% FT percentage that would buffer them against Popovich's foolproof strategy! Joel Anthony and Pittman dont make $8mil per season. Do you even read the posts? The entire argument Ive been making is that Asik isnt worth the Houston offer. Its not, if asik is free and joel anthony is free, who is better?

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 05:08 PM) You really can't. He's going to be out setting picks and doing other things. It really isn't a 4-5 game and if you really go away, you'll get a lot of dunks when he's under the hoop. How many times has Asik been under the hoop and stone handed a pass? Hes just not reliable on offense. When the Bulls have Asik on the floor, id say 80% of possessions have his man doubling someone else.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 05:07 PM) And you could have fouled Joel Anthony too. Asik would have been a massive upgrade. You know how good the Heat's defense would have been with Asik controlling the paint and offensively he would have set some massive screens for LBJ/Wade, which also would create space for Bosh. You are delusional if you don't think Asik would make the Heat a lot better. He's the exact type of player they are missing (a legitimately strong defensive center). Joel Anthony doesnt make $8mil per year. Its about whether Asik is worth the contract, not whether Asik at $0 is an improvement. Its not in a vacuum, they have to pay Asik approximately $8mil per year.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 05:05 PM) Might be better on offense, but your point was based upon free throws and just fouling and fouling a bad free throw shooter. So in that regard, the situation really isn't different. No that was just 1 part of the reasoning. I never said it was the only reason. The other reason is that on offense you can play off asik, meaning that its effectively 4-5. You cant do that with Griffin.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 05:03 PM) Dude, that wasn't a strategy. That was a foul as the clock expired. That is what you are coached to do regardless of who the free throw shooter was. And given the situation, it was a dumb play by Watson. Had Watson made the right decision, he would have been fouled and the good free throw shooter shoots free throws. All I can say is, you are in the vast majority and you can have your opinion, but letting Thibbs become a FA as a coach would be a major mistake and it would cost the Bulls a lot of money (and possibly one of the best coaches in the league). And I'm not sure what is frustrating. Bulls have made a lot of really good in-game adjustments and are very very prepared. I know that wasnt a strategy, I was posting on this very board when it happened and freaked out about CJ Watson. But thats on Thibs, he needs to call CJ to him during the FT and say that CJ as the PG must keep the ball and get fouled. I assume you mean minority and thats fine. As for whats frustrating, I dont agree he makes good game adjustments. I think he is far to predictable with rest patterns. I could be very wrong, but I have a feeling Im right.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 05:02 PM) Asik played 14.7 MPG this past year. He is our backup center and will always be our backup center as long as Joakim Noah is on the floor. You can't pay a backup center $15 million, even if it is for one season. The end. Um didnt you read Bmags post, Asik is comparable to Blake Griffin.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 04:59 PM) Yeah, sorry, I assumed you meant teams would be employing a shaq strategy to Asik on offense, not the incredibly isolated, and situationally used tactic by a single coach in the NBA. And Blake's FT% is atrocious, so by your standards, he is the worst player in the NBA because of Greg Popovich. I know I wouldn't want him on my team, because a team might send him to the line 96 times and risk fouling them all out and playing wiht 0 players. No the comment was about whether Asik on the Heat would make them better. Blake Griffin is a million times better on offense than Asik, I dont even know what you are talking about.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 04:58 PM) You don't form a team based off of what 1 coach might do to you, especially one team you might not even play. And in your case, you might as well not have a center. This is like seeing bill veeck employing a midget to pinch hit, seeing him walk, and thinking "I should employ a team of midgets! They'd never lose!" What are you talking about? The Heat won the NBA Championship and basically didnt have a true center. You are so far outside the realm of any discussion I cant even understand your point. The comment was regarding whether ASIK would make the HEAT better. And I said he would not, as Asik is a bad offensive player and could be fouled to actually hurt their offensive numbers. Do you have anything to say about the actual discussion? Or are you just posting random nonsense because you dont know the NBA rules?

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 04:57 PM) The strategy was used briefly, it ultimately wasn't the reason that they won. And yes, I'm fully aware and I'm also fully aware that by and large, it isn't going to help you. That strategy wasn't the difference in them winning or losing that series. And mathematically, the strategy is garbage. Sometimes it might make sense as an adjustment to throw a team off, but long term, it is a garbage strategy. It may be. But the Bulls lost a game because Asik was on the court, was fouled and didnt make his free throws. Bad free throw shooting is just something that cant be ignored. If asik could shoot even a respectable percentage, hed probably be worth the contract.