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SS2k, The reason science plays a role is that one day science could be so advanced that at conception you could remove the fetus and save it. If science was able to do that, you wouldnt have an abortion argument. Any person who didnt want it, could merely give it up like adoption. The problem right now is that the fetus cant survive without the mother, and the mother doesnt want it. If you are going to look at that issue (imo) you have to give deference to that which is alive over that which is not. Thus the mother has the say until the fetus can survive, at which point the fetus now has rights and therefore the mother cant take them away. At least thats how I view it.

Jenks, You just are not reading my posts that carefully. Ive clearly stated that before something is born and after are 2 different situations. In the case of the person in a vegetative they were once alive. Thus they are entitled to more rights than something that never existed. If you want heartbeat and brain activity is when something is alive, thats just looking at the facts differently. But then I assume you have no problem with abortion before heartbeat and brain activity?

Right your asking me to define a word that (imo) is incapable of being absolutely defined. Its a question of fact, dependent on the circumstances. I dont think anyone could absolutely define alive, without using comparative examples. Whats your definition of alive? Bigsqwert, And just to be clear, that is only the definition of alive for something that has never been alive. Something that has already been alive (person in coma etc), may have a different definition. Although the more I read my statement, the more I think it can apply to a variety of different situations. I just am not so bold as to say that I have the absolute definition for alive.

Its simply come to the point where Jenks will accept nothing less than at conception something is alive. I believe that I clearly have stated my position on the matter. But just so its so simple Ill break it down, 1 more time. Fetus inside mother= may or may not be alive, question of fact. Can it survive with help of NICU? If answer is no, not alive, if answer is yes, may be alive. Baby is born, breathes air= alive How is this so hard to grasp? If something can not survive, even with the use of extraordinary medical procedures, its not alive. At least to me. And if you really think you are going to somehow change my opinion, bring some facts to the table. Show me why you believe a 1 second fetus is alive, why it deserves protection. If the answer is, because someday it may be alive, well then I ask you, why do you not protect sperm? Are you against the pill? The idea that I would somehow have the absolute answer to this question is preposterous. But at the end of the day, I think I have the best answer, and that does not necessarily mean its the right answer or that 1000 years from now people will think Im a barbarian. It just means that right now, in my opinion, based on science/legal I believe my answer is the best answer.

Thats because your not trying. I clearly have explained it, Tex asked about a 1 month baby, I already went over it. Its a waste of time to repos it because its in this same thread, but once again Ill do it. If you really cant understand that, its not worth arguing.

Vandy, I absolutely agree that I could be wrong. But as of now with the information I have, Im not wrong (at least in my opinion). And as I previously have stated, if science was to change or allow for a fetus at 1 second to be taken from a womb and survive on its own, I would absolutely support that. But as of today we dont have that option. I see nothing compelling about a 1 second fetus being more than a sperm or a egg. Tex, I clearly explained that. I said that if something can live and breathe on its own (a 1 month baby) it is alive. Can a fetus breathe without assistance prior to 3 months, I dont believe so.

Winning 2012 is more important than worrying about 2016.

Wever understands that life isnt always necessarily about who has the biggest pay day.

But unlike Pena, Frasor is going to get us a type b pick next year. Gave up a type B more expensive fa + teahen for stewart + cheaper frasor its really looking solid so far.

Ozzie is brutal

Dunn has change up bat speed, throw it again Walden.

Well lets just hope that Walden is only good with a lead.

Ive heard that somehow Frasor is a type B free agent, so theres always that.

0-2 pitch out, amazing call Ozzie

Its not heartbreaking. De Aza will likely get his shot next year in Pierre's spot. If you should feel heartbroken for anyone its Viciedo who is stuck behind Dunn.

Dont love pinch running for Konerko, and Rios hit it hard, just right at the 3b.

Hopefully because this will be seen more as a "revolution" than "outside interference" there wont be as many transition problems. Every nation has to start somewhere, I just hope for the best in Libya. Although it wont be over until they get Gaddafi.

Ive only taken online iq tests, never a real one.

I have no problem with a bipartisan ticket provided that they have some similarities on core issues.

Important to remember, minor league players are also more receptive of criticism and change because they want to get to the majors. Its highly unlikely that Walker doesnt have input on what Laker is doing.

Its rare but there are some cases of players doing better in MLB than minors.

Dont know much about Huntsman, but what Im seeing linked I do like.

The attendance is more to do with the fact the Cubs owners are gauging them on prices and putting out a crappy product. You cant be bad and raise prices. If cubs attendance really was a problem all theyd have to do is lower the prices slightly and itd fill up again. http://archive.chicagobreakingsports.com/2...s-for-2010.html This article states as of last year the Cubs had 120k waiting list for season tickets and that they were increasing prices because so many scalpers were selling 2x the value. Its pretty easy to reign back the pricing.

Leprosy is nothing to make fun of.

Not necessarily, I live within walking distance of Wrigley Field, very little has to do with the actual team. All they have to do is get some ex-Cubbies and the fans will go insane "Sandberg" as Manager and "Ghost of Ran Santo" as GM would be good enough. Its got a great location.