hammerhead johnson

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 08:23 PM) Neither one of them is worth a s*** if you ask me. Grossman is the better of the two. Bears need to get someone better next year though. (Wait, don't they say that every year.) What do people think about that Rivers kid in San Diego? Or do we need to keep our picks in order to get more CB depth, a good TE, etc? It looks like Brees is gonna be firmly entrenched at the QB slot for the Chargers. Somebody is going to wind up with this Rivers kid, as he's making way too much money to be a bench-warmer. I know jack s*** until I get a chance to observe a guy on the NFL level & supplement my observations with statistics and what not. Rivers could suck uncontrollably for all I know.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 08:19 PM) I'd trade him to Toronto or Atlanta and let him rot. Both teams have a ton of young, inexpensive talent. They also have logjams at SF. Nitetrain said that Artest could play some SG, but I seriously doubt that at this point in his career. That would almost be like sticking Urlacher back at safety, if you know what I mean. He's just too freaking big. He could play some PF, but not SG. DBAHO, if this were to happen: By the time April rolls around, the Magic would be a Top 3 or 4 team out East, better than the Cavs, Bucks, Bulls, 76ers, and perhaps the Pacers. Hill would have to come off of the bench IMO, as Artest can't play the 2 unless he were to lose about 15 pounds to 20 pounds worth of muscle.

Hey, according to my calculations, Grossman is due for a health streak.

QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 07:54 PM) I thought Grossman would be an upgrade over Orton, but I didn't think it should be a move that was done in the middle of a game, or a winning streak. So, do you subscribe to the Troy Aikman football philosophy? This logic, clearly on display in every Bears thread for about two months now, borders on insanely retarded. But we all smoke crack from time to time. Some of us smoke a hell of a lot more than others, though.

QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Dec 18, 2005 -> 02:58 PM) He'd be the best punt returner, receiver and quarterback on the Bears! If it's supposed to be in green, indicate as much. Randle El would be a better QB than Henry Freakin' Burris based on what, his extensive NFL training out of that slot? Randle El could bring Moose some gatorade and a towel, perhaps. That's about it. No, this guy is a pro bowl special teams player and a competent #3 receiver. I'd love to have him, but I also know his limitations.

QUOTE(Middle Buffalo @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 03:56 PM) Let us know when you getting around to pointing out the difference between Rex and Kyle. I don't think that people even bothered checking the quote that Middle Buffalo responded to. Come on, fellas.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 18, 2005 -> 11:46 PM) I think it's becoming more and more clear by the week that the NFC is just incredibly inferior to the AFC. The AFC is pretty darn good, and the NFC is incredibly horrid. Yeah, no kidding. Pick 6 playoff teams from this pool: Seattle Chicago Minnesota Tampa Bay Carolina Atlanta Tampa Bay NY Giants Dallas San Diego Denver Kansas City Pittsburgh Cincinatti Patriots Indianapolis Jacksonville You could argue that 5 out of 6 would come from the AFC. You can't leave out Seattle, but let's suppose for a minute that they were in the AFC West. I seriously think they'd be about 9-5 right now.

QUOTE(Chisoxrd5 @ Dec 18, 2005 -> 09:54 PM) Now we get to see Nick Buonocoti and the rest of that Dolphins team celebrate with champange on ESPN...Oh joy This kind of puts a damper on my day. I have no valid attachment to the Colts other than the fact that I love Dungy, but god damn was I rooting for them to go undefeated just to stick it to those '72 f***s.

Holy s***, how about that Chargers rushing defense? Net Passing Yards Allowed: 338 Net Rushing Yards Allowed: 24 However, I still think that Indianapolis and Cincinatti wouldn't have much of a problem beating the Chargers in the playoffs, but that's it. I think that the Chargers could take the Broncos, Steelers, Jaguars, Chiefs, etc. Hell, it's a toss-up between them and the Patriots IMO. The AFC Playoffs are going to be a joy to watch this year. I can't say the same for the NFC, with the exception of the Bears (obviously).

RUN DMC- "Christmas In Hollis" My personal favorite. s***, this thread inspired me to put it on right now.

QUOTE(sayitaintso @ Dec 17, 2005 -> 06:09 AM) Just a simple question, how did this thread make it to 13 pages long? With spam. You know, kind of like what you're doing right now.

Ahh f***, nitetrain's getting ready to post. I'm outta here like Vladimir. PEACE

QUOTE(rangercal @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 11:36 PM) Tyson=A CHANCE Brand = Proven Krause= Moron Cal, you know that Krause knew how to scout defense, and then some. He has gone after half-assed scoring options like Jalen Rose, Jamal Crawford, Eddy Curry, etc, but god damn did he know his s*** when it came to acquiring defensive hounds. Some legendary dudes have shown up at Berto. Pippen, Rodman, Artest, Bowen, and now, HOPEFULLY, Tyson Chandler. I'm not gonna root against him like so many choose to do on here, given his potential. Brand is a pretty crazy overall player, though. I'd like to have both him and Tyson.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 10:31 PM) Have you realized how horribly wrong you are about saying that tyson is or ever will be better than Brand at anything? You're tempting me to save all the tyson-luving bulls*** you preach so I can rub it in your face when you realize how wrong you are, but I won't. Notice how everyone but you sees the real tyson, all of his deficiencies and how atrocious that trade was. Why on God's green Earth would I back a guy if I thought that I was horribly wrong in doing so? There are a s***load of people out there who like to debate basketball. Perhaps there is someone out there who was never wrong about anything, I dunno. If I happen to be wrong about Tyson, then so be it. What's important is that my philosophy is correct. I think Tyson Chandler has A CHANCE to go down as an insane defender. Absolutely insane. Historically, you kind of want to have those guys on your team, as points in the paint is really the defining factor in a 7 game series. The PF slot is where 80% of your devastating big men are gonna be for the next half dozen years. Am I wrong? Should I not want a guy to be all that he can be and become that absolutely incredibly insane defender guarding all these crazy scoring PFs? I mean, what are you hoping for? Remember when you backed such an incredible stroke like Eddy Curry who has no passion, no desire, no nothing? You back Ben Gordon. You're talking about saving stuff that I say so that I'll hopefully be wrong and you can post it? Dude, you said that Larry Hughes is a better defender than Bruce Bowen. Everything wrong that I say from this point on to the day that I die combined could never measure up to that. So please, post a picture of some little girl or something.

QUOTE(Steff @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 10:25 PM) It's still '05 and it's obvious he's referring to the team that just won the WS. That would be last year's team. The 2005 season is over and done with, and therefore, it's last year's team. Right?

QUOTE(rowand44 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 08:23 PM) No offense nite but there is no way the Blue Jays are better then last years sox team. QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 08:23 PM) I didn't say that. I said, they'd be better than this year's White Sox team with no moves. This year's White Sox team with no moves would be the same as last year's team. God damn, if you don't become a brain surgeon, you will have missed your true calling.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 10:09 PM) I'm tempted to bring back the picture of the little girl crying. How about a pic of Larry Hughes, and then you can put the words "Defensive Player Of The Year" right underneath it. Okay, I'm done with this thread.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 09:57 PM) His lack of basketball iq? I don't feel sorry for him. Go to college and get better... that goes for every player evAr imo. Go for at least one year, they teach you more in one year of college than you probally learn your entire life before hand. I agree 100%. Every player whould be required to play at least three years of college basketball.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 09:57 PM) I really don't give a s*** about your team, and I don't know how we started discussing fantasy basketball. I mean, I'm still gonna finish better than you, and I like my chances at winning both leagues too, even though I like my other team more. You just said "Have fun losing", as if I don't have a team capable of contending in League 1. I listed my roster, and your response was "I don't care about your team". You're like a little f***ing kid or something.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 09:49 PM) So you play to lose? :headshake Anyways, I'll just enjoy winning while you have fun with your players. It would absolutely suck to have your team. I have Artest and Dalembert in the other soxtalk league. Overall, I play to win. Uh huh, and how is this not playing to win: PG: Nash SG: M. Daniels G: Diaw SF: Artest PF: D. Howard F: J O'Neal C: Dalembert C: Pryzbilla UT: Pachulia UT: C. Anthony BN: David West BN: Delonte West BN: Livingston You kidding me? Are you trying to tell me that I don't have a chance of winning this league? Get the f*** outta here.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 09:33 PM) I like those players because they're on my fantasy team? Wow, that's an idiotic way of trying to tell me what I like and dislike. I play to win and have to absolutely hate a player not to take him. Notice what place I'm in so far and what place you're in. And by the way, Bonzi is looking good in Sacto. He's been rebounding very well for a guard, and that 3-pointer to win the game the other night looked good. Come on, you know that you like those guys. Don't lie to me. I don't give a f*** about what place you're in. It's fantasy basketball, not reality. And besides, if I'm going to win, I'm going to do it the right way, not with a bunch of strokes. I wouldn't draft Steve Francis, Bonzi Wells, or Drew Gooden if my life depended on it. I'd rather grab guys before they become something. Boris Diaw, Samuel Dalembert, Zaza Pachulia, David West, Marquis Daniels, etc. That's why fantasy basketball is fun to me. It would absolutely SUCK if I had your team, good God.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 09:31 PM) Brand can take games over defensively...and he does. He is one of the best big man defenders in the nba and i don't give a s*** that he is 6'8, he plays like he is a seven footer. His defense is finally getting noticed now that he is having the year he is having. Much like people are finally realizing dirk is an above average defender... not a s***ty defender like so many have claimed in years past. As much as i like chandler i would take brand's defense currently over anything chandler has done defensively in the past. Offensively it is an obvious no brainer. I know you and other say ''defensive legends'' don't have to have offensive skills... but this dude is such a pansy. He won't even dunk the ball four out of five times. What is even worse he has no body control and flails around while attemping a lay-up ( that should have been dunked). You really think that Brand can take over games defensively? I guess that we'd have to agree to disagree. In Brand, I see a guy who has the right attitude, and I think that he's an effective defender, but having the ability to take over games defensively is beyond rare in this league, and Brand just doesn't have the tools as far as I can tell. You know what I'm saying. Height, wingspan, leaping ability, etc. Tyson has all of those things plus work ethic and a mean streak to go with it. Eventually, he'll be up to speed in terms of basketball IQ. He didn't attend a Duke or North Carolina for 4 years. Brand has had one hell of a head start in establishing himself. And I know what you're saying about Tyson not going up strong for dunks and what not. Can't defend him there.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 09:27 PM) Tyson has taken a step back from last year. Nobody can really deny that. Is he healthy? Did not working out like he usually does in the off-season until after he signed his new contract hurt him? Is it because he's playing out of position? I'm with Hammerhead on the thinking that once Tyson does figure it out, and don't ask me when, I have no clue when he will, he'll be a real force. Offensively, he's always gonna blow. So people may as well just give up on the idea of him ever being a scorer. His calling card is gonna be rebounding, shotblocking and being a defensive force ala Ben Wallace. Tyson is gonna be a notoriously slow starter in the short term, IMO. He did the same thing last year. But as of now, he's really starting to roll. Have you watched the past few games? He has been a joy to watch. He hasn't even tapped into his potential yet. Scary thought, is it not?

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 09:19 PM) And you also seem to underestimate basketball IQ, which always seperates success from potential, in your attempt to make tyson sound like he's going to be some sort of defensive monster someday. At this point, with all the stupid fouls and mistakes, complete lack of knowledge on offense (he looks f***in' clueless), and inability to keep himself in basketball shape, I'm not ready to say that tyson does not have the knowledge to be as great as you say. Brand looks much smarter on the court to me, along with being the much better overall player. Bird sucks because he wasn't athletic, right? I'm not underestimating basketball IQ. Tyson still has plenty to learn. For the love of Christ, he is only 23 years old. Remember when I listed those players that I thought were lacking in the brains department, and you said quote "I'm not sure that I agree with some of those players being on that list". And now you're trying to tell me something about basketball IQ? A guy who likes Steve Francis, Drew Gooden, Bonzi Wells, etc trying to tell me something? Bird was perhaps the most clutch player in basketball history. Where in the f*** does he enter into a conversation in regards to defensive upside based on tools?

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 09:13 PM) Around what year are you expecting tyson to "break out"? I'm not a fortune teller, but I know defensive upside when I see it. It's just a matter of time with Tyson. Now, you seem like you have a head on your shoulders. I don't know why the concept of defensive upside is so foreign to you. Would it be fair to say that you're not really much a long-term thinker? Did you have even half a clue as to what Artest was capable of? How about Hassell? I know that you're probably going to lie to me.