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Anything that involved christopher widgemeister.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 11, 2005 -> 10:10 PM) I'm really liking Abreu's chances after that round. Going out on a limb i see.

If the juicer beats abreu i am gonna eat my shoe.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jul 10, 2005 -> 11:12 PM) When examining ZR and RF as to which works best, you will find that both have their flaws. There is no stat out there right now that will accurately measure how good a players range is defensively. ZR has its flaws due to it not being able to correctly distinguish range, just how well players field balls hit in their zone. RF would be perfect if everything were neutral - neutral hitters, neutral stadiums, neutral GO/FO, FO/K, and K/GO...but that will NEVER happen. So you will see a very good defensive SS who will have a bad range factor on a flyball-strikeout staff, while seeing a very poor defensive SS with a good range factor on a very heavy sinkerball staff. As it is, I would say that zone rating is better for judging a player's range if you were to just use one...but that is incorrect too, due to its flaws. Personally, I prefer to use both zone rating and range factor cohesively to determine how good a player is defensively...ie, Miguel Tejada, who is in the top 5 for both, proves he is a gold glove caliber SS. JMHO though RF is almost entirely a function of his number of "chances". ZR is a pretty good measure of fielder abilit to cover ground on the field. Is it any shock that derek jeter is one of the worst in ''zone rating'' year in year out? Oh ya maybe it is because he does not move for a ball and he waits for it to come to him. As i said and everyone else in the baseball world says the more chances you get the better your ''range'' factor is. Inge has far and away more total chances than any other third baseman in baseball. Some players will get more balls hit to them do to their pitching staffs and are we exactly a ground ball pitching staff as a whole? Garland then... ya. Another way to calculate a players range is uzr but that, like anything else, has flaws. Orginally range factor was the first thing to measure range but then people ( even bill james himself said there are way too many flaws for it to ever be extremely accurate. Then STATS decided time for them to try and improve the ways of finding a players range and then after that followed uzr.

QUOTE(Beastly @ Jul 10, 2005 -> 07:47 PM) Maybe, I don't care. He can do what he wants, cuz you know, thats how it goes...(around here) You are implying i get away with what i want? LMFAO.

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=36730

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 10, 2005 -> 05:54 PM) OOOOKKKK. You like Willie and I don't have a problem with that but the fact is Ozuna has been better then Willie stastically and doing everything at that. Willie has been horrendous this year, period. I looooooove sample sizes. Neither player even has 100 at-bats this season. I am not arguing who has played better thus far am i? But who is the better player overall i don't think is that close. You play ozuna alot he will get overexposed and therefore his average will plumet. He is one of those guys you do not want other players seen very often so that there is not a good scouting report on him. People have always hated willie harris even when he did pretty good for us last year ( don't count what he did verse lefties because he is useless against them, he is a platoon player). I would like to see ozuna even get close to matching .279 average and a .366 obp verse righties in 337 at-bats considering he has hit the ball out of the infield maybe 10 times this season? You cannot rely on just infield singles. Do you think ozuna is more valuable because he can play three infield positions, two medicore ( short and second) and a horrible third? I will take the gold glove type defender at second along with a guy that can play can play a medicore short. I truly believe harris will end up staying in the major leagues much longer than ozuna ever does. If you think ozuna>>>>> harris we can just compare both offensive and defensive numbers at the end of the season.

How good is chavez.

Widgemeister please single now that dye is into second.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 10, 2005 -> 05:50 PM) Ross Gload didn't stick with a team a full season before last year, why?? He was stuck behind far superior players unlike ozuna.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jul 10, 2005 -> 05:48 PM) I guess it's a love-hate relationship for you and Ozuna... Cannot field very well yet he's the best fielding 2nd-baseman? Ozuna > Willie based on how they have played rather than what you would imagine would happen if they played every day, which we all know will not be happening...I'm no fan of made-up scenarios... Like i said i meant willie harris and stats back that fact up. No made up secnarios like kobe is a better defender than bowen? That is as made up as it gets. Nice job willie.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 10, 2005 -> 05:47 PM) It's not one game, Ozuna's a better player imo. Ozuna just can't play 3rd, I agree that willie is a great defensive 2nd baseman and he's a valuable commodity cause he can run, however Ozuna is just a better player imo. Ozuna hasn't stuck with a team for a full season why...?

QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Jul 10, 2005 -> 05:46 PM) Clarify your post QWERTY. I like Willie. Ozuna is one of the best fielding 2B? I meant willie harris.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 10, 2005 -> 05:44 PM) You're right Ozuna>>>>>Willie. Good that you let one game make that judgement. Willie will have a much, mcuh longer major league career than ozuna does. Willie will have another oppurtunity to start whether it is in chicago or not. Ozuna will never get the oppurtunity to be a full time starter.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jul 10, 2005 -> 05:42 PM) Just stating the facts... Fact is ozuna cannot walk and cannot field very well. With consistent playing time willie's numbers would go up while ozuna's would decline. Ozuna is one of, if not the best fielding second baseman in baseball.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jul 10, 2005 -> 05:39 PM) 0 singles for his career, according to baseball almanac. That is suppose to be a joke i take it.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jul 10, 2005 -> 05:37 PM) ozuna > willie, by the way... Or not even close.

Have i mentioned ozuna sucks?

Meatball walks chavez after being up 1-2.

QUOTE(ChWRoCk2 @ Jul 10, 2005 -> 05:18 PM) perhaps the sun isnt in there eyes Why wear them at all? Do you know how often players lose the ball because of the sun and their shades are flipped up? I laugh at every player that makes an error because of it and i would have laughed at ozuna.

Mlb players are so stupid. They have the f***ign sun glasses on but have the shades flipped up? Nearly every player has them like that what is the point.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jul 10, 2005 -> 05:13 PM) TIMO!!! These guys make out timo to be the best player to ever play the game if you have not realized.

D.j... ''he's baaaaaaack''. Stfu.

Of course timo gets a gapper. 8-8 sox.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 10, 2005 -> 05:07 PM) SWING THE f***ING BAT! That pitch was definitely a strike. You have got to protect in that situation. I really, really hate giving up that first out with the bunt. The sox do not know the strike zone. Plain and simple.