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QUOTE(whitesoxin' @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 03:27 PM) Please dump his salary, that would do huge things for this team. He's a great guy and all, but he is making way too much. He will not be moved. Thankfully he comes off the books after this season.

Ian mahinmi video ( spurs draft pick). http://www.premiumwanadoo.com/stb.c...PBR-mahinmi.mpg

QUOTE(knightni @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 02:16 PM) JR will have him gone off the Bulls for that.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 02:25 PM) No it's not nonsense. You take into account what he did in college(individual and team accomplishments), take into account what he was for a team(if Illinois didn't have him, where would they have been last year) and his attributes(skillset and mindset basically). All things point to him being a Jason Kidd type point guard with a better jump shot. Believe it or not, but that's the gist of how players are evaluated and how they decide who is worth the #1 overall pick and who is not even worth drafting. Believe it or not, but he's a projected Jason Kidd. Add Gary Payton in his prime>Kidd KG>Kidd There's are tons of better players I would take ahead of Kidd as history goes on. Plus the fact that he's a malcontent with most coaches, it's not even hard to think those players are better than Kidd. BTW, I hope Amy Williams does a porn or something. Gawd is she smoking hot. Name three point guards in the last ten years as good as he was defensively. Who was a better overall point guard than kidd since he was in the league? Payton was better at both aspects ( offense and defense) and then stockton and kevin johnson were both better offensively but not as good of defenders. Jason kidd is a first ballot hall of famer whether you or anyone else likes. Kidd He went to a team that was 26-56 the year before he got there and they ended up with the best record in the easteren conference at 52-30. As a point guard he led the nets to two finals i think that says something about how good of a player he really is. They were no worse than the seventh best defensive team while he was there and that has alot to do with his intensity. Kidd is a dick, i will admit it, but so is payton and half the players in the nba. Payton is one of those guys who thinks he has never commited a foul along with cassel. Kidd thinks he runs the show ( sad thing is he does).

QUOTE(chi-guy2 @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 02:50 PM) true they could use a big man We still need a big guard. As it stands we have only have a legitimate three man rotation of hinrich, duhon and gordo. We also need someone that can play both center and power foward.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 03:47 AM) Anyone think Paxson will try to sign Kelenna Azubuike? He went undrafted. We need a SG that can play some D and he could fit the bill. He is only 6'5" though. 6'5 shooting guard is a good size. Would be are tallest guard off the bat. It is possibly we take a look at him because we will be inviting alot of guys that went undrafted this year.

The Bulls are confident that enough solid role players went undrafted to invite some rookie free agents to training camp. http://chicagosports.chicagotribune...-home-headlines

Cheat said it is closer to .3 of a run difference from al to nl. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 01:39 AM) Duncan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kidd Shaq >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kidd Wow.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 01:35 AM) I don't know about calling current players legends just yet either... Tim duncan and kevin garnett are not legends? What about shaq?

QUOTE(Pauly8509CWS @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 01:18 AM) Hammerhead, maybe this is just me, but I dont personally think JKidd is a legend. I agree though about comparing players to proven stars. One of the best defensive point guards to ever play professional basketball. Only a hand ful of players in the league have the iq/ court vision that compares to his. How many triple doubles has this guy raked up as a point guard? 9.3 assists per game through out his entire career? You will hear players compared to him for fifty years, in other words a legend and first ballot hall of famer.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 12:27 AM) Some think he may even be a GG defensively. Who is that?

The pansy martynas andriuskevicius has been traded to cleveland for a second-round pick in 2006 and cash.

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QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 11:14 PM) Who says Randa would come so cheap? He's having a career year, I believe an OPS right around .850, with something like a .360 OBP. I can't say he'd cost a fortune, but he's on a one year deal (with an option? no?) and a cheap contract -- I don't think he'd be so dirt cheap... No option and i think it would cost two middle level prosects considering they really don't have to move him.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 11:11 PM) Did you even read the post I was replying to? It was a suggestion to zoom stating that we needed a backup SS. So I proposed we have SF throw in Vizquel as well which would allow Uribe to move to third and also be our backup SS. That is all. So we trade for a 39 year old guy, with two years left on his contract to be our back up? Even though he would not excep tthat role? Makes sense to me.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 11:08 PM) Where the hell did I say he was putting our team over the top?Where did I say he would ever bat leadoff? I think he will be batting 8th or 9thI think he is a contact hitter who can get on base and maybe steal one if you need him to. Do I think he is better than Uribe defensively? No! And I never said he was. Nor did I say he would put us over the top. And if we keep winning and fans keep coming to the park we don't have a problem. If Vizquel can help the team win then I am all for it. I would also doubt it would cost a whole hell of a lot to get him. Why get him? For s***s and giggles i suppose?

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 10:53 PM) Umm, I think the White Sox are paying. I wish I was paying it cause it would make me an owner. Reinsdorf said that money is not an issue. So start adding. Why the hell do you care so much about payroll? Your not paying for it? Your not the White Sox accountant. What the f*** do you care? Hm, why do i care about the payroll? Well if we start trading for guys that are in their late thirties with 3 years on their contract we have a problem. Omar vizquel is not putting this team, the chicago white sox, over the top. The sox would not think of trading for vizquel is 345 and two thirds of a years because right when he was offered the third year by the giants we waived good bye to him. The third year was the deal breaker. Do you think vizquel would come in and lead-off or bat third? He would end up at the bottom of the line-up just like uribe. Uribe is just as good as vizquel is defensively if not better. It is not worth the prospects it takes to get him along with the two years 6+ million left on his contract. The reason i asked if your gonna pay for his salary is because the white sox won't be.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 10:43 PM) Cheat, don't bother with any sort of logic. The guy was completely blind to anything but saves and ERA. He was running around in circles ignoring obvious statistics that proved him wrong. That is santo your talking to...

QUOTE(chi-guy2 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 10:39 PM) for a minute the thread title made it seem like schmidt came and watched us Yes, because that would have made so much sense. :rolly

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 10:43 PM) Because I don't want to just MAKE the playoffs. I have seen the White Sox do that plenty of times. I want to win in the playoffs. I want to move on and have a realistic chance of winning the World Series. Just because we have the best record in baseball does not mean we have the best team in baseball. We have an opportunity to get better, so why shouldn't we take that opportunity? Bobby Jenks will be that solid right handed reliever. We don't have to go out and get one, we already have him. Done. Ross Gload. Done. Maybe we can have the Giants include Vizquel in a deal with Schmidt. That would enable you to move Uribe to third and he can be the reliable backup SS when he is needed. Chavez is not going anywhere. I would like to have A-Rod and Jeter as well. While we are at it why don't we see if we can get Scott Rolen and Albert Pujols from the Cardinals. Point is Schmidt is available. Chavez is not. Jenks is not ready this year. Don't even think he is. Vizquel? You can pay for his contract and i will be fine with that.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 10:37 PM) He was probably gonna be undrafted. What a steal. :rolly

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 10:34 PM) I disagree. Wickman almosts always comes in with nobody on base and the lead, whereas a guy like Politte comes in with runners on base and possibly a tied ballgame. Hell, Wickman has inherited 4 runners this year and 3 of them have scored.. Saves can be the most misleading stat IMO. Farmer talked about how he heard Mike Timlin as an All-Star and argue the case for Politte. BTW, I can't believe how big this thread has blown up. When someone is ignorant to anything but saves and era that will happen.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 10:32 PM) So do you want to see him start instead? Either way, we are likely stuck with him. I don't want him period but what can you do.

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 10:27 PM) That's not exactly saying much. Then we'd have a $4 mil long relief guy with little bullpen experience. ... and a guy in the bullpen who thinks putting men on base is his job.