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QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ May 7, 2005 -> 01:31 PM) Just wondering, but what's the record for a single game? Seven, the american league record in six.

Three run home run for konerko 9-2 sox.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ May 7, 2005 -> 03:22 AM) No, not really. All their numbers went down, most had injuries, and you're joking if you think KG would win it going from one of the best in the West last year to not making the playoffs this year. There's no value in that. You really didn't even present a valid argument against Nash winning it. Nash won it not because he will go down in history as one of the best players to play the game, but because there was a lack of strong performances this year for MVP. It speaks more on the level of talent of the NBA right now. Nobody really broke through to make a strong case for MVP this year, and that is a trend that may continue... I still have no idea why you compared him to Kidd from years ago if the award is for THIS year... There numbers that have reressed this year are still better than nash's. Even if they were equal those three's defense>>>>>> nash's defense. They make players alter their shots almost at will. If you take shaq, duncan, and garnett, and replace them with whoever those teams would not be nearly as good. The heat played ''very well'' with his but were only 4-4 without him. At the most they would be five games or so over with let's say, marc jackson in the middle. How about we replace duncan with another ''good'' player antoine walker? Garnett with rasheed wallace or kenyon martin? You could put jason kidd, jamal tinsley, mike bibby, brevin knight, dwayne wade, alston, etc... on the suns, surrounded by all that offesive fire power and they are bound to rack up double digit assists. Now of course you will just say no not possible considering you do not believe in defense and pass first point guards. Do you really think that if Nash had players like tim thomas they would really be the same? Nash doesn't really make the offense, everyone in that starting line up makes the offense, nash is just the catalyst, the doesn't make him an mvp, find another catalyst and the offense still runs. There has never been an mvp that you could say, wow, several other guys that play the same exact position could come in and get very similar results. To say the mvp is not the best player during the regular season is silly i don't care what the title is. The best player in baseball gets it, not who the press thinks helped there team the most. Same goes with every other sport. The player who put up the best stats always gets it. It also helps for that player to a be a franchise player for them to win it. Once more ( since you apparently skipped over it) amare was putting up these numbers in the second half of last year so there cannot be the excuse he made amare suddenly better. Has nash really made this team that much better or how about bringing in jimmy jackson and richardson? They surely were no help. Bring in a point guard that buys into the run and gun and voila, success. Bottom line is mvp winners are irreplaceable and steve nash is not irreplaceable.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2004 @ May 7, 2005 -> 04:52 AM) Magic won the mvp in 1987, 1989, and 1990. I Agree that Jordan shouldn't have won the mvp in 87. The Bulls only won 40 games. But don't even pretend that MJ wasn't mvp worthy in 89 and 90. 1989 stats and awards= 32.5 ppg, 8 rpg, 8 apg, 2.89 steals, .538 fg%, 85% ft%, all nba first team, all defensive first team. The ONLY thing that kept Michael from winning it that year was the fact the Bulls only won 47 games. Which was not a bad total considering Grant and Pippen were still young and dumb at the time. 1990 stats and awards= 33.6 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 6.3 apg. 2.77 spg "led the league" .526 fg%, 84.8 ft%, all nba first team, all defensive first team. I honestly thought Charles Barkley should've won the mvp that season. He led a team with Hersey fricken Hawkins and total crap to 53 wins. It was really a toss up at the time. You could easily make a case for both of them. Only thing that jordan did much better then was score points and you have to remember in that two year time span jordan shot over 1,500 more shots. You give him all those extra touches per game and he would be in jordan's range. I am sure magic's versatility played into this considering like i said he could play all five positions and do so well.

QUOTE(rangercal @ May 7, 2005 -> 02:47 AM) What about 92-93, do you really think barkley was the best player that year over Jordan, or most valuable to his team? Same question goes for Malone in 96-97. Considering it was jordans best year out of his last seven i would say no. But if barkley would have had that type of season in any other year sure. The suns did get nine games better that year so that may have something to do with it. One thing i do know is every time there is an mvp picked there may be one other you can make a case for and this year there are many more than one. That has to tell you something about the decision.

Clement would have had another surgery if he resigned with the cubs within a year. Isn't that obvious?

QUOTE(DonkeyKongerko @ May 7, 2005 -> 02:29 AM) It just took everyone a little while to figure him out. Byung hyun Takatsu. He was throwing in the low mid to low 80's at one point last year when he was normally in the low 90's. Earlier in the year it was reported he hit that again in a bullpen session but he hasn't hit that during a game that i know of. Considering he is not use to pitching with the lost velocity i can see his struggles. Also any pitcher that has to pitch in colorado you just have to feel sorry for.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ May 6, 2005 -> 07:13 PM) Hey, I've got an idea: Why don't you name names? Nobody was more deserving than Nash this year, and shaq is probably the only one who might have an argument, although not a very good one with below-shaq standard numbers and injuries...Look at the numbers for the Suns this year when Nash didn't play. Look at their overall offensive numbers and how much better it was in comparison to the rest of the league. Look at how many more games they won this year compared to last year, their overall record, and what place they took in the West. Look at how Nash's teammates improved because of him. Look at Nash's amazing assist numbers. Look at his FG%, 3PT%, and FT%. He had a great year. Is it 15 years ago right now? No. The current NBA is VASTLY different to what it was back then. In my opinion and in the opinion of many others, the NBA was much more talented and competitive back then... MVP is NOT supposed to go the best player. The definiton is in the name. MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. Nash was the most valuable player on his team this year. The heat were able to win and play very well without shaq, especially with Wade having a great year... Jordan should have won it almost every year in which he played if it went to the BEST player. He was undoubtedly, at least in my mind, the best player in the league AND the most valuable, as proved by those great records, even when he didn't win during the championship years... Shaq, duncan, and garnett all had considerably better seasons. I am not gonna fault garnett for being on a team for of selfish cancers. I know you will but that is cool. What do those three have in common? They are threats on both sides of the floor. What does every mvp have in common? They were threats on both sides of the floor. There has been an arguement for ben wallace that he could have been the mvp a couple of times. But people argued that he doesn't bring it on two sides of the court. It is a shame the nba favors offense over defense as much as they do. Who did nash really make better? Stoudamire? Nooooo. The numbers he put up in the second half of last year were as good as this years numbers. The most valuable player is almost always the best player in the league. The heat were 4-4 without shaq which is not what i would consider ''very well''. The thing is jordan was not the best player in the league when johnson won his mvps. No matter how much of a homer someone is jordan should not have won mvp's those years. Johnson was nearly averaging triple doubles while being able to play all five positions and play them well. He was also a top notch lock down defender to boot. Do you think nash is a hallf of fame caliber player? Every player that has ever won the mvp is in the hall of fame or is already a lock to do so. Why did jason kidd ( future hall of famer) not win a couple already? Is he nearly as good as any of these players? He would have to repeat this season for another six to seven seasons to have a shot at making it. I forgot that nba championship was given to the best team or iguess the pistons were a bunch of ballhogging selfish players with bad attitudes? The mvp is an individual award and one argue what "valuable" means but should not be construed to be about team success. I guess having a healthy amare, the addition of richardson, the improvement in joe johnson, also had nothing to do with phoenix's success as a team? There are other point guards you could put on the suns and they would have also had a drastic turn around. Does that really make nash the most valuable player in the league? If you take duncan off the spurs, garnett off the timberwolves, lebron off the cavs, iverson off the 76's, and replaced them with basically anyone of your liking those teams would not be close to the same. Steve nash is not a franchise player plain and simple. Jason kidd arguably did more for his team in both 2002 and 2003 than the mvp winners. From 2001 to 2002 there was a 22 game turn around and his numbers were sick especially for a point guard, at the time he was one of the best defenders in the game.

Well i was the second to vote for widger, who was the first? Reveal yourself.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ May 7, 2005 -> 12:12 AM) Is there a reason behind the Blue Jays games starting 7 minutes past the hour? Canada what do you expect?

Timo was tremendous today. We need a team full of timo's

Timo.

Fly out to dye, two down.

QUOTE(AssHatSoxFan @ May 6, 2005 -> 08:54 PM) f***ing refs dont know how to call a charge Pargo is not knocking down ruffin. Ever.

Timo... lol.

Sick of hernandez going 0-2/1-2 on players then going full every f***ing time it seems.

Iguchi strikes out, 2 down.

QUOTE(DonkeyKongerko @ May 6, 2005 -> 07:02 PM) Horrible baserunning Uribe. He isn't our worst base runner for nothing.

Podsednik doubles to score crede, 3-2 jays.

Uhoh 1-1.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 6, 2005 -> 06:38 PM) You just f***ing told me a week ago his D wasn't too shabby. Also-MVP=Player most valuable to their team, not best player. Outside of the year iverson was picked the mvp was the best player in the league. It only makes sense that the most valuable would be the best player in the league whichi nash is not.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 6, 2005 -> 06:38 PM) You just f***ing told me a week ago his D wasn't too shabby. It is not as bad as advertised but it is nothing special either.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ May 6, 2005 -> 05:28 PM) Bill Walton? Nash deserved it. Does nash belong on this list? There are easily several players more deserving than nash is. Mvp's should be an mvp on both sides of the court, no? John stockon was everything nash was this year but better year in year out and was an excellent defender, yet he was never in the top five voting for mvp. 15 years ago, amare would be the mvp candidate and nash would just be an elite point guard. Mvo is suppose to be the best player in the league. Is nash the best player in the league? Voting has changed so much nowadays it is sick.

Chicago Bulls (47-35) (20-21 on road home) @ Washington Wizards (45-37) (29-12 at home) STARTING LINEUPS Duke-6'1-DUHON Kansas-6'3-HINRICH Tau Ceramica-6'7-NOCIONI UTEP-6'9-DAVIS G'Town-6'9-HARRINGTON VS Arizona-6'3-ARENAS St.Louis-6'5-HUGHES UNC-6'9-JAMISON Indiana-6'11-JEFFRIES UNC-7'-HAYWOOD

Worst mvp of all time.