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Pure speculation: Yankees get Wilson, Rangers get Shields, and the Royals get Gonzalez. Danks to Red Sox or maybe Nats?

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Oct 9, 2011 -> 05:30 PM) The Braves? Hanson, Hudson, Jurrjens, Beachy, Minor, Teheran, Delgado, Vizcaino, Lowe. They are the most pitching rich club in baseball. They are the last team that would be in on Danks. You're right. Thought something didn't look right. I mixed up my potential Danks and Quentin suitors.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Oct 9, 2011 -> 03:28 PM) Is there a team out there that doesn't at least entertain the thought of trading for Danks? We should have many suitors. I don't share your optimism. I think prospects will be more valued this offseason than ever before given the many teams that had soft attendance along with the economic issues still facing the country. Here's a list of teams I can see bidding for a SP with one year left before free agency: Yankees Red Sox Rangers Braves Nationals Blue Jays I think the Nationals and Jays are outside choices. Problem is I can easily see Danks being no better than the third best starter on the trade market behind Gonzalez and Shields.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Oct 9, 2011 -> 01:40 PM) I hope to expect 1 top prospect (BA top 50), 1 good prospect, and 1 "project" prospect. I don't see that happening because he can be a free agent after the 2012 season.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Oct 9, 2011 -> 12:12 PM) I'm trying to determine a little bit if there could be a decent market for guys like Danks, Quentin or Floyd if the Sox deal them this winter. I would think John Danks would bring the most. Teams like BOS or NYY the would pay well for Danks seeing as starting pitching cost them their seasons and they are committed to big contracts. All things considered, does Danks bring a top prospect? For NY -I would look at a guy like Austin Romine © who is blocked by Montero. As for BOS -Ryan Kalish (OF) is a kid with five tools that plays very had. He's coming of surgery but is projected to be a star. He's blocked by Reddick and Nava. Thoughts? Things would really have to break right for the Sox to get a top prospect for Danks as I don't think he'll be the best pitcher on the trade market. Ordinarily, I like the idea of getting the best prospect prospect regardless of position, in this case though, I really think the Sox need to focus on pitching in any trades they make. Just throwing out a couple of pitchers that aren't top prospects, Hector Nolesco of the Yankees, Felix Doubront of the Red Sox. The Rangers and Braves are two other possibilities for Danks as well.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 7, 2011 -> 04:44 PM) My interpretation of this whole set of boondoggles is that it tells me KW really doesn't have decision making authority beyond a certain point. I think that the Chairman is basically running most everything. Chairman Reinsdorf doesn't give Williams any less leeway than other owners give their GM's. If Williams hires Ventura (a Chairman Reinsdorf favorite) he knows it will buy him more time.

He said the coaches would be someone he could trust, hinted that they'll be younger guys. I'm thinking someone that he played with who has AL ties. Wild guess Wakamatsu, Toronto's bench coach. Pena also a good guess

One of the reasons why Ventura took his time getting back in to baseball? Sounds like it was pretty tough.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Oct 7, 2011 -> 02:18 PM) you're a f***ing lunatic or Cowley at this point. I'm not sure which is worse Your insulting tone adds nothing to the conversation. Please do not post.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Oct 7, 2011 -> 01:51 PM) What crazy f***ing twisted world do you live in?...really. Confirmed?!? Jesus Christ... Listen to the Cooper interview.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 7, 2011 -> 01:49 PM) Again, it is obvious that Cooper was referring to the idea that he was going behind Ozzies back to get him fired. Whoever Cowley talked to felt that was the case. He said none of the Guillen's were his sources. I'm guessing some of them were the departed coaches. I'd like to know who his source is in the front office.

Cooper confirmed a lot of what Cowley wrote today, then he called him a liar? Crazy stuff.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 7, 2011 -> 01:45 PM) Or maybe it would be crazy to invite sworn depositions of the high-level conversations and the inner workings of any major corporation. Give me a break. Perhaps.

Dan Bernstein Great stuff on Mac & @MattSpiegel670 with @cst_Cowley just now. KW hinting at lawsuits, but he'd be crazy to invite sworn depositions. Crazy to invite sworn depositions. Maybe Bernstein knows some things that Cowley does to.

Curious reply by Coop to the question of was he telling Williams what was being said in the clubhouse. "What was I saying that wasn't in the paper?" Not exactly a denial from Coop. You could see where this might tick people off.

Coop calls Cowley a liar, but Coop did go to Williams for a contract extension.

Read the thread Cowley appears to have been proven correct about the dysfunction. Not that it matters in the grand scheme of things, but isn't that true.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 08:24 PM) Can someone please tell me what Robin Ventura could have learned waving guys in from the 3rd base coach's box or holding elbow pads in the first base coach's box or sitting next to a manager telling him what he would do, that he in no way could have picked up all those years he played? What makes Ventura a worse candidate than Martinez or Alomar? Steve Phillips was on the radio and he was talking Dave Martinez. He said he would never hire him as a manager because he thinks he lacks presence. That's his opinion and could be way off, but Martinez has interviewed for a couple of jobs and apparently didn't do so well. No one is a guarantee, but I like Ventura's chances. You are right Dick. The reality is Ventura has been on Chairman Reinsdorf's managerial short list since the day he retired. He knows exactly what he has in Ventura.

Fathom, interested to hear your take?

Scott Miller #ChiSox choice of Robin Ventura as manager is smart, innovative: http://scott-miller.blogs.cbssports.com/mc...270335/32541671

The more I think about this, the more I like it.

Dan Evans Best wishes to Robin Ventura! Has a chance to be an outstanding manager with his exceptional people skills and superior feel for the game.

I'm not sure that this means complete rebuild. From people I know on 35th, Ventura is Chairman Reinsdorf's favorite ex-player, absolutely loves him. I don't know that he'd go through a tear down with him as manager.

I don't dislike this. I'm biased though because I have a friend who has been around Ventura a bit and have heard countless stories about how great of a guy he is.

QUOTE (scenario @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 12:52 PM) I think Rios is tradeable if the Sox eat $20M of his remaining contract. Should they do this? Absolutely. They'd save about $5M per year off of what they owe now... which would almost pay Quentin's salary. Then, if I'm the new manager, I'd move Quentin back to left to minimize his defensive limitations... put DeAza in center and Viciedo in right. Put me in charge damnit! I'll get it done!! lol This is a viable alternative. This would also buy them time with Quentin where they could deal him at the trade deadline if he's having a good year.