Marty34

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 10:59 AM) Don't make me sick Q on you again. Really. I took a beating there. Ruthless.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 10:52 AM) Really? Anytime anything Ozzie comes up, you throw Kenny under the bus so as to make him look better. Every single time. You're wrong.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 10:47 AM) Even elrockin isn't really defending Ozzie, he's just generally loyal and positive about the team. The only ones defending Ozzie are marty and greg. Proof that I defend Guillen.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 10:45 AM) You are way to defensive of Ozzie and Cowley. You excuse everything they have done by blaming Williams for something. Cowley doesn't work for the Sox. You are wrong about me defending Guillen. I've said time and time again that he deserved to be fired.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 10:41 AM) It really is like talking to Joe Cowley. It is completely one side of the story. You're way too defensive of Williams. FWIW, I think he was right to have a spy given the position he was in.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 10:35 AM) Because he couldn't do so, without it ending up the papers. Funny how that works. The GM never talked to the manager was all I wrote. Funny you felt the need to defend him.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 10:33 AM) why should he? If he knew guillen had checked out on this season, like guillen said he did, why would Cooper want to deal with the quitter who quit on his team ala sammy sosa The GM never talked to the manager.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 10:15 AM) 200 posts and I have yet to figure out WHY KW would need a spy in the clubhouse. Because he never talked to the manager.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 09:35 AM) If you really believe that, send me your social security number. Don't ask any questions. Your analogy is terrible.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 09:24 AM) And never ask questions... Ever. Say, if he isn't supposed to ask questions, why is he always complaining that Kenny won't answer his questions? Why isn't he just waiting for Kenny to tell him what to write too? Cowley is sympathetic to Guillen. Williams has his way of getting stories out too. So what? What they have to say is what is relevant.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 09:10 AM) And to not ask any questions at all, ever. He presents Guillen's side as Guillen sees it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 08:50 AM) Yet most people don't know it, because Joe refused to actually do his job. His job is to report what Guillen said.

You guys are too smart for me. Seriously.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 18, 2011 -> 10:03 PM) And yet, you can still call people out for doing all of the things you have done yourself as a spy. Two wrongs don't make a right.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 18, 2011 -> 09:58 PM) Funny, he doesn't have a twitter, or a job at the Sun Times... You can be a spy without those things.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 18, 2011 -> 09:56 PM) Nope. Ozzie got a 4 year deal. Cooper is the spy.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 18, 2011 -> 09:55 PM) qwned. You are somewhat biased.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 18, 2011 -> 09:54 PM) See posts=1283 I don't understand.

QUOTE (qwerty @ Oct 18, 2011 -> 09:49 PM) Naivety. Can you amplify on this?

QUOTE (SI1020 @ Oct 18, 2011 -> 09:41 PM) How would you have the slightest idea what I really think of the White Sox GM? You're making an assumption that you shouldn't. What is this "act" of mine that you are tired of then?

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 18, 2011 -> 09:36 PM) Just stop the pain, please. Most of the people you accuse of loving KW have, in this very forum, criticized the heck out of him. Do you not wonder why it is that you are virtually alone (+greg775) in your absurd defenses of Ozzie? Do you think that everyone else is somehow in love with Kenny Williams, when a poll taken on SoxTalk a while back showed a majority here would like to see him gone, or at least out of the GM seat? Do you not see the disconnect in your logic here? Show me where I have defended Guillen in the last 6+ weeks. You are making things up.

QUOTE (SI1020 @ Oct 18, 2011 -> 09:14 PM) Your act, whoever you are is tiresome. Because you can't take even the slightest hint of criticism of Kenny Williams.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 18, 2011 -> 07:50 PM) boom goes the quinarvy-mite Where is that darn ignore button?

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 18, 2011 -> 07:44 PM) And you may be intelligent enough to realize Ozzie has an agenda when you read and/or write these stories, but a lot of people taken written word as gospel, due to the "believe none of what you hear, half of what you read" saying. So it would be best to report no information than one side of a story if that is all he has? It's bizarre that you believe less information is better. Kenny Williams has a spy in the clubhouse. Why the hostility toward Cowley?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 18, 2011 -> 05:46 PM) Here's the question Marty. Look at the Red Sox. How is it possible that a team with so much intense media coverage could have all those things going on around the team and none of it was revealed until after the season? Listen to the hilarious John Henry interviews when he got so angry with the "one-sidedness" and "despicableness" of the Boston news media that he went in to complain, only to give one of the most befuddled interviews in talk radio history. The same interview in which he threw one of the biggest FA signings in history, Carl Crawford, completely under the bus. At least Reinsdorf hasn't done anything like that publicly with Dunn and Rios, even though he certainly has a right to as an owner who's getting zero ROI from those guys...to the point where they're crippling the rest of the team. At least the White Sox organization isn't dumping dirt directly on their former manager....like "insider sources" are by telling about Francona's distractions with marriage problems and painkiller use. Apparently it was okay for the Guillens to dump all over Bobby Jenks though, right? So if you have a $150-175 million payroll like the Red Sox do every year, don't you have a responsibility to know what's going on, somehow? I'm sure the players (Dustin Pedroia covered for the guys by claiming he had no idea what was going on) knew it...but maybe if someone got in Beckett's or Lackey's face the first or second week of September, they could easily have salvaged their season...Tito's job, Epstein's job. I'm more proud of Don Cooper sticking it out with the White Sox and wanting to be a part of the turnaround than Ozzie jumping ship and giving up on his players...if you want to call him a whistleblower, whatever....but I have respect for competent non-corrupt policemen, corporate executives, anyone who's willing to stand up and try to protect the integrity of an institution. That whole "just following orders" and keeping the code of silence really hasn't worked well in history. It just gets used an excuse for expiating the behavior of those who've crossed the line. And Ozzie clearly crossed the line between caring more about his team/organization than himself and his own situation the last 2 seasons. Was Cooper looking out for himself and his family in the process? Sure. But it's not like he couldn't get another job in baseball tomorrow. If you want to spend the next couple of seasons accusing Ventura of being a spy, that's your right...but wouldn't Robin have more incentive to do that with KW (since he clearly couldn't get another job as easily as Cooper)? Still, Robin Ventura's set for life financially....what reason would he possibly have to manage the White Sox if his main directive was to be a spy, with KW as the "JD Edgar Hoover in the skybox" looming above...? Doesn't really make any sense. Was there any pitcher on that staff who would rather have seen Don Cooper than Ozzie go? I don't think so. It's Kenny's right to have a spy in the clubhouse if he wants. I'd be willing to wager that Chairman Reinsdorf has a few sprinkled throughout the organization too.