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QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 11:49 AM) Coming from a guy who wants to trade every single player on the 40 man roster so our 2016 team is legit Solid comeback. You're learning.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 11:36 AM) a dash of hyperbole yes...but Buehrle is the rare case of re-sign no matter what imo, even if its a couple extra million. So if you're saying we can't re-sign a guy like Buehrle because his contract would put us 5 mil over budget, then there are bigger problems. No. If a team goes over budget to keep Quentin there are bigger problems.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:36 AM) If Kenny Williams gets a decent haul for him, I will be impressed and applaud Kenny Williams. I'm still content with his performance in dumping Jackson. Keeping Quentin at the deadline should have been the last straw for Williams tenure as GM. It was just an unbelievable bad decision even before he hurt his shoulder. No reason for it whatsoever.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Oct 5, 2011 -> 04:31 PM) Somewhat agree...except for Danks. He should bring a decent return IMO. If people are looking for blockbusters...I doubt it happens...but it may be interesting to see what parts could be had for a package of say Floyd/Quentin or Danks/Quentin. The parts by themselves probably won't bring all that much. Danks is an interesting case. He's coming off a down year with only a year left before free agency, don't know what the return would be. I don't think it's hindsight at all. To me it's a fireable offense on Williams part.

Don't expect to be overwhelmed by the returns for any of the players the Sox trade. I just don't think teams will be looking to add salary and give much in return.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 5, 2011 -> 01:09 PM) The quote above did NOT say teams were scared off by the extension. It said he was less movable. That means, in part, that the Sox have no motivation to move him. I think you are reading more into his statement than he intended. Unless there was some other quote we missed? He tweeted this later in response to a tweet about Ramirez extension being s fair one: Brett Ballantini Fair, but no longer a steal and, potentially, a bad contract late

I also asked him what he thought the payroll would be and he said $120M, said cost-cutting is exagerrated. I think he's way off on that, but we'll see. He said teams will be scared off Ramirez because of the extension. Last couple years of contract could be bad.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 5, 2011 -> 07:49 AM) Will Ohman gets a whopping $2.5 million this season. Moving his salary really doesn't do much of anything to change anything. Would be acceptable to move him if there was a player coming back (I still don't know how the Yankees didn't deal for him). So you'd be against signing Kazmir to a minor league deal, why????

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 06:14 PM) That's also true...think he plays on one of their sports' teams too. Probably would be nice to watch some of his son's games. Money will be the issue. If the Red Sox want him I don't see the Sox outbidding them.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 06:00 PM) You're not fooling anybody. Your agenda is rather clear: Ozzie is god. KW sucks. What you're implying about me makes no sense. If I just wanted to b****, I'd 'secretly' be fine with Sale in the bullpen. Therefore I can just b**** and b**** and b****. You got one thing right. I think Kenny Williams does suck.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 05:52 PM) Yes, I'm just pretending when I state how critical it is Sale becomes a rotation fixture. Don't compare me to you, greg and troll boy. How is that any different than what you "accused" me of?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 05:41 PM) How so? They lost out on Lee after losing to the Rangers last year and did nothing. From what I can gather, they're not trading any of their top guys (Montero, Sanchez, Betances, Banuelos) for anybody not named Felix Hernandez or Clayton Kershaw. The Yankees will not go another year with the rotation they have. If they lose there will be a ton of pressure on them to upgrade. They probably will give a spot to one of their young guys, but they're also going to trade for a pitcher. The Sox problem is Danks isn't likely to be the best option on the trade market.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 05:31 PM) You know all three are praying the Sox go '03 Tigers next year. That way they'll be vindicated. By this standard you will be praying that Sale is a failure in the starting rotation.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 05:28 PM) Wow, so Victory, Marty and Greg are all on the same page. Shocker Group think is the way to go on SoxTalk.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 05:27 PM) I think they're going to wait for Hamels/Cain to hit FA. They didn't bite on Greinke or Ubaldo, the latter on an extremely team-friendly contract. I can't see them doing so for Danks. If the Yankees lose to the Tigers they won't be allowed to wait on Hamels/Cain.

QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 05:08 PM) I still think it is Alomar, I think Dave Martinez goes to Boston. Alomar needs some seasoning, and I don't see any other team offering him a gig. Martinez, price tag if the Red Sox get in the mix might be too high, for letting the kids play. This is what I think the most likely scenario is too. Unfortunately.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 03:45 PM) I wonder if the Yankees would accept a Danks for Gardener deal? They will be in a desperate need for pitching this offseason and im sure they can just replace Gardener on the free agent market somewhere. Need pitching back for Danks. The Yankees are a team to target though.

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QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 10:59 AM) It never got weird enough for me. I can dig that. My new favorite poster on here.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 09:40 AM) While I agree with Marty if your rebuilding, you trade off assets who could net a good return (like Alexei) but I doubt any trade you do for a prospect(s) will net you an Andrus type talent in return That's ok. That should not preclude them from dealing guys. At least with Ramirez, the Sox have something no other team can offer. Like I've said before, I believe there will be better starting pitchers on the market than Danks and Floyd which will limit the return.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 09:21 AM) It isn't really a true rebuild though, which is what you are aiming for. Kenny said it's time to play the kids. At 30, Ramirez is no kid.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 09:17 AM) I think they have a good shot at contending in 2012 with Ramirez. The plan though is to rebuild. If they contend while rebuilding great, but the rebuild is the priority.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 09:04 AM) That makes the same problem worse. Escobar isn't a likely long term SS option...and if he were to be, he's not likely to be ready to compete in 2013, even with a full 2012 season at SS in the bigs. Reed might well be able to be a closer option by 2013, so I'll leave that one out...but you're again losing in 2012 with no obvious path to getting back to contention in 2013. You think they contend in 2013 with Ramirez. I don't see how.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 08:52 AM) That's exactly it. If Stewart and Axelrod are not long term starting rotation options...then that year is a waste. And then 2013 is spent developing more pitchers. And then maybe 2014 is as well. If we're going to lose in 2012, then lose with the guys who we think can compete in 2013. That's all well and good, problem is Axelrod and Stewart are the Sox best options right now. That's why they have to be open to dealing Ramirez. I think Santos too.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 08:49 AM) You have already begun the Pittsburghization of the Sox. Blame Kenny for the predicament the Sox are currently in.