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QUOTE (pettie4sox @ May 7, 2013 -> 08:59 PM) Come on Marty, it's obvious you're seeing red right now. The Sox can't put together a bullpen that's good enough to win a division. It's not an easything to do, but look since 2005, the years with good pens are few and far between.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ May 7, 2013 -> 08:51 PM) Hasn't the pen been very good for years? No.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 7, 2013 -> 08:49 PM) Coming into today, Keppinger and Dunn were tied with Middlebrooks for the lowest WAR in baseball. Konerko has the 9th worst WAR. But BABIP!

Nate Jones should be one of the first to go. Tired of these power bullpens the Sox have put together year after year that underachieve their "stuff."

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ May 7, 2013 -> 08:35 PM) Keppinger looks like a grade school science teacher that won a baseball fantasy camp contest. He's another signing the SABR crowd thought was ok. Six weeks into the season and hasn't hit anything with even the slightest bit of authority.

QUOTE (knightni @ May 7, 2013 -> 03:58 PM) I hope that neither sees a starting job on the Sox. I still say that Konerko's last season in Chicago will be 2015. His contract ends in 2014 and he signs a one year deal. Konerko's deal ends after this year.

Had this argument here this offseason, but I'll believe a pitcher will return to form after any shoulder surgery only after I see it.

According to South Side Sox, Danks had a total of 6 swings-and-misses in 7 innings.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 5, 2013 -> 04:31 PM) The other thing to consider if you want the Sox to totally rebuild, it is not like they have a bunch of promising players in the minors that are a year or two away. The alternative is to bump the payroll to $150M next year.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 5, 2013 -> 04:23 PM) Can you give some examples of successful 2-3 year rebuilds? You're saying the difference between rebuilding and not rebuilding is essentially keping/trading Peavy and Rios.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 5, 2013 -> 04:20 PM) And Viciedo was a 3B. What's the difference, they both wound up in LF. You are asking the difference between Viciedo and Bonds . . .

QUOTE (iamshack @ May 5, 2013 -> 04:10 PM) I'd trade Sale before Rios right now... If you trade Sale you're saying it's a >5 year project. If done right, it's 2-3 years.

QUOTE (iamshack @ May 5, 2013 -> 04:03 PM) Barry Bonds Yeah, I got it. He came up as a CF'er though.

QUOTE (iamshack @ May 5, 2013 -> 03:59 PM) Just to continue on with a discussion Fathom and I were having via PM...for you guys in favor of rebuilding with prospects....has anyone considered just rebuilding with some veterans instead? I suppose that is called "retooling." Rebuilding right now via prospects strikes me as trying to buy into a commodity which is overvalued. It is the equivalent of buying high and selling low. I just don't see the value in doing it right now. Maybe. I would not however keep anything that has trade value to do the rebuild. Get rid of Peavy, Rios, and whatever has value in the bullpem. The rbuild could be pretty quick if Sale, Quintana, Santiago, and Danks perform as hoped. If they don't there's really no reason to keep Peavy anyway.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 5, 2013 -> 03:55 PM) I sure am glad in 1985 the Sox drafted Kurt Brown a catcher. He never did play in the majors, but it sure was better than picking a LF which the Pirates did with the next pick. What are you talking about?

QUOTE (Jake @ May 5, 2013 -> 03:13 PM) LOL This is the perfect example of why Soxtalk would never have the stomach for a rebuild. Viciedo plays one major league season, hits 25 bombs and 75 RBI, and he is trash. You guys would never have been able to handle the development of the guys you love on KC, many of whom are still not producing You don't develop LF'ers. That would be a bad rebuild and one I would not be able to stomach.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ May 5, 2013 -> 03:09 PM) I think Viciedo will become 1b next year. He doesn't hit enough. He needs to be moved to RF or traded.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 5, 2013 -> 03:04 PM) So, if a team needing offense adds 2 or 3 offensive parts when they already have a solid pitching staff, they can become competitive pretty quickly? How do you acquire 2 or 3 offensive parts without touching this so-called solid staff?

QUOTE (Baron @ May 5, 2013 -> 02:59 PM) So lets suck for the foreseeable future. God I just hope management doesnt have your attitude. How are they not going to suck for the next couple of years? Unfortunately, it's inevitable.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 5, 2013 -> 02:54 PM) Yes, because you're not going to be happy with the results of severe payroll cuts. You're just not. No one here is going to be. Ha!! Who do they have worth keeping?

The White Sox also invented the wheel. Great job Hawk!

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 5, 2013 -> 01:57 PM) Hammered the ball in his first at bat, has an OPS > 1.000 over his last 10 games. Didn't sabremetricians say Dunn's signing was, at the very worst, ok?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 5, 2013 -> 09:39 AM) Having you ever interviewed someone before? Did you put them through a polygraph test or an extensive psych evaluation? How was KW supposed to know Wilder would commit massive fraud? From what I know of Wilder, he had a strong résumé at the time of the hire and had nothing in his background to suggest he would be capable of unethical behavior. The guy was obviously a very capable liar/con-man and fooled numerous people in baseball. I can't hold it against KW unless there was some warning that this guy may be a scumbag. It's more of a buck stops at Williams desk type of thing.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 5, 2013 -> 09:17 AM) That's all fine and good, but what would firing or replacing him do at this point? What difference would it make for the future of the organization? Everyone makes mistakes. Heck, it took Abraham Lincoln about EIGHT tries before he found the correct general to lead the Army of the Potomac. Would it really make you feel better if Williams "took one for the team" or "fell on his own sword" and announced his resignation? Then what? Hahn would be completely on his own, with only Paddy, Laumann and Buddy Bell to advise him. Is that such a great idea? Should the Astros' fans blame the Sox for Lucas Harrell, Phil Humber and C. Carter, lol? For a club filled with young, unproven talent and late-career veterans that prides itself on an improved aggressive attack, the Astros continue to commit mind-numbing baseball mistakes. After the Tigers jumped ahead 4-0 in the top of the first inning, Astros rookie center fielder Robbie Grossman responded in the bottom of the frame with a leadoff line-drive single to right field. With contact-hitter Jose Altuve (tied with Cabrera for first in MLB in hits, 42, entering Saturday) at the plate and no outs, Grossman attempted to steal second. He was gunned down by catcher Alex Avila. Altuve lightly grounded out, No. 3 batter Jason Castro struck out and any momentum the Astros had was erased. “That was a straight steal and that’s on me,” Porter said. (Yay for accountability, Porter got it from Hayden Fry) In the second inning, Cabrera’s first rocket of the night was preceded by Torii Hunter taking second as Harrell idly stood near the mound and first baseman Carlos Pena stood in front of his bag. No throw was made and Hunter advanced standing up. Cabrera’s smooth, powerful swing then made it 6-0. Harrell shrugged off his out-of-character start, saying he mostly made good pitches and his mistakes were hit. “I didn’t think they did that well at all,” Harrell said. “I felt like I kept them off balance and they hit a lot of weak contact. They just placed the ball in the right spot.” (Sounds familiar!) Tigers’ might on display The Tigers’ assault occurred on a good baseball night at Minute Maid. The Astros announced their largest attendance in nearly two weeks. A warm May evening initially kept fans in the stands. A batting practice launch party conducted by Prince Fielder and Cabrera had early attendees oohing and aahing as balls alternated between the top of the Crawford Boxes and the second deck of the right-field stands. The warning shots were for real. A frustrated Harrell tossed his glove, shook his head and spoke out loud once innings finally ended. Reliever Jose Cisnero gave up six runs and eight hits in 22⁄3 innings, his ERA ballooning to 5.73. All while Detroit starter Max Scherzer allowed just three hits and one run in eight innings, striking out eight and not allowing an Astros hit between Grossman’s leadoff single and Matt Dominguez’s two-out single in the sixth. The Tigers looked like defending AL champions eyeing another World Series. The Astros looked like an majors-worst 8-23 team on pace for 120 losses and with the worst run differential (-66) in MLB. The lone positive? Detroit’s 15-run knockout only counts as one defeat. “You don’t dwell on the magnitude of it,” Pena said. “You have to just be like, ‘OK. We lost.’ And leave it at that. Regardless of what goes on, it’s very important the way you react to it. … When it’s bad, you try to shrink it. When it’s good, you try to embellish it. And that’s the mind game of this long year.” Houston Chronicle.com/sports/astros The question of who to blame was yours.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 5, 2013 -> 09:01 AM) Dave Wilder without question. Not having an influx of talent from Latin America for an extended period of time has put us at a significant disadvantage. We became a crippled organization and it's almost shocking how we've been able to remain competitive in recent years despite this. With even a couple of Latin American players on the roster or prospects available to trade who knows how the last few seasons would have played out. Also, not sure how you can blame KW for the Wilder fiasco. He was highly regarded at the time of the hire and even interviewed for the Red Sox's GM job at one point. Wilder was simply a scumbag who fooled a lot of people in baseball. It sucks for us the way it worked out, but I don't put the blame on KW for Wilder's misdoings. I don't understand how KW can be completely absolved of the Wilder fiasco. As the one who did the hiring he has a share of the responsibility.