Marty34

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 28, 2013 -> 10:52 AM) Because when I see a guy whose average fastball clocks 97 mph, I know I always think "mop-up man". When I see a guy who put up marginal numbers in his minor league career and is 27, I'm not going to wait for him. If you miss on Nate Jones the world will not end.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 28, 2013 -> 10:40 AM) So no surprise, no answer. For a guy who asks for specifics, you certainly provide none. You asked me about free agent hitters. You were answered. I asked about the free agent pitcher you would sign to replace Peavy in your plan, you, no surprise, had no response. Now this. No answer. Trying to spin it like if anyone doesn't know they are dumb and you're the smart one. Nice try. People are finally seeing you for what you are. You must be just trolling. ROFL, you go ahead and wait on Nate Jones and Tyler Flowers. "Look, we developed a mop up man and a backup catcher, hoorray for us!"

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 28, 2013 -> 10:28 AM) Who currently do the Sox have that are worthy of "waiting on"? Provide some specifics. ROFL, If you don't know already, I can't help you.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ May 28, 2013 -> 10:05 AM) So teams should never try to develop players, right? They should just go out and get players that can perform now, and never worry about the future. Sure, makes sense. Guys like Flowers and Jones, aren't guys you wait on.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 28, 2013 -> 08:33 AM) I love how the guy on this site who thinks that dismantling the team and going with a multi year youth movement has zero patience for trying to actually develop youth. You win no trophies developing the Tyler Flowers and Nate Jones' of the world. Their either good when you need them or you move on.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 28, 2013 -> 07:30 AM) Yeah, I can pretty much guarantee they aren't worried about service time and starting Phegley's arb clock Agreed. An organization that throws Santiago on three days rest after a bullpen could not give a damn about Josh Phegley's arbitration clock.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 28, 2013 -> 08:19 AM) Personally, I can't wait until Phegley is actually called up, struggles for a week or so, and then people here declare that they can't stand his approach, they're done with him, he needs replaced, and they never want to see him again. There's value in making decisions quickly. You might get burned from time-to-time, but when it comes to non-core players I'm fine with making a mistake in the interest of time.

QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ May 27, 2013 -> 08:35 PM) Two more XBH hits for Phegley, including his 11th HR. Meanwhile, the Sox front office reaches new, unplumbed depths of derp by not promoting him. It's beyond idiotic why he isn't up. Same with Gas Can Jones still being on the roster.

This organization has a history of waiting too long to fix fixable problems. In that light, Phegley still being at Charlotte is no surprise.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 27, 2013 -> 02:47 PM) Learn to read Marty. I specifically said keep Peavy get bats this offseason. Pretty simple. You said get rid of pitching, the team's strength and sign a free agent to replace Peavy. One of us said to sign a free agent starter, you know, a guy like Buehrle, and it wasn't me. Now go back to posting how the Sox should guarantee they will be awful for the forseeable future so you will have something to moan about every summer. You should also explain the logic to everyone about waiveing Ramirez and putting Keppinger at SS. That right there is proof you want the White Sox to suck. Trading Peavy makes no sense unless it is ridiculously in your favor. It,s even more ridiculous than in 2005 when Soxtalk wanted the Sox to trade Contreras for AJ Burnett. General terms again, Dick Allen. Which "bats" this offseason? You prefer taking on contracts like the Jays, how's that working out?? ROFL!

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 27, 2013 -> 12:07 PM) Actually, you know, a team like the Tigers or Indians might give up a lot to get Peavy right now. Ditto the Orioles or angels. Because it would hurt a team in contention with them. Nationals maybe?

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ May 27, 2013 -> 12:07 PM) Even with favorable contract terms, teams are becoming much more reluctant to trade top prospects, and even when you do make those trades, those prospects aren't sure things. Jake Peavy isn't a sure thing either. If not a rebuild then the question is did the Sox screw up by not adding more this offseason? Looks like they may have.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 27, 2013 -> 11:21 AM) Where do you get that? I love when you make stuff up to try to turn the attention away from some previous BS that you have posted. You are the one that said replace Peavy with a free agent. I've mentioned hitters. You are arguing with yourself. ROFL, you're the one bringing up 2005 and wanting to re-build like the Blue Jays. You write in general terms because when you're asked for specifics all you come up with are things like being for changes IF they help the team. Gee, thanks for THAT opinion.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ May 27, 2013 -> 11:22 AM) I don't think the potential return for Peavy is what you expect it would be. What makes you think that? 2 years left on an affordable deal.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ May 27, 2013 -> 11:00 AM) I understand the point of the pro rebuilding people. I am usually one of them. Many of the posters on this board have convinced me however that this type of scenario will not work with the White Sox. They have great pitching. Sale/Quintana/Santiago is a great trio of LH starters. Peavy is cheap #2 starter in the AL. Danks is under contract and Erik Johnson is on his way. They have the pitching to compete. They need to add offense most likely to really be realistic about competing. Trading Rios and Peavy does this but it is so counterproductive at this point. Like others have mentioned I think they have enough to deal for a bat and sign 2 hitters next offseason. If they signed Granderson and Morales and then traded for another hitter you are in the mix with the pitching that you currently have. It's all about pitching. Most teams rebuild because they don't have pitching. The Sox pitching is plenty good enough to win. They just need to add bats and they will have some $$ to spend in the offseason. Selling high on Peavy is a must, imo.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 27, 2013 -> 10:50 AM) The problem is that people still think we can throw unlimited resources at the draft and international free agents which simply isn't the case. Losing teams still have an edge under the new CBA, but it's nowhere near what it used to be. What I don't get is how people don't realize developing prospects takes a s***-load of time. It's going to take the players in a given draft class 3 to 6 years to be major league ready. You'll need multiple strong drafts to eventually form a young core of players that you can compete with. Assuming you have 4 strong drafts in a row, maybe this can be accomplished in 5 or 6 years. If you start relying on lots of high school players and Latin American free agents then it will likely take even longer. This assumes that not only do you hit on a ton of your draft picks, but you can also successfully develop them into good big leaguers. I don't know when rebuilding suddenly got so cool, but going through one is painful. Summers filled with 90 loss seasons suck. Talk to some Cubs fans. The initial dream of a few years of losing followed by endless World Series championships is starting to fade away. Cubs fans are starting to realize this rebuilding is going to take longer than expected. Meanwhile, their fans don't want to go to games. People are already sick of losing and it's only year 2. Imagine what happens if guys like Almora and Baez flop. Tack on a few more years to the rebuilding effort. I'm sure Cubs fans will still be for the rebuilding at that point. They're not going to deal Peavy and Rios for Single-A guys.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 27, 2013 -> 10:31 AM) Yeah, the Sox should have learned their lesson when they signed Dye as a 31 year old. Everyone stops hitting when they are 30. ROFL, you really want Buehrle back?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 26, 2013 -> 07:21 PM) McCann & Morales aren't even 30 yet. No doubt Utley is old, but he can help on a short-term deal. Same goes for Granderson. You've been b****ing for over a year how the team won't spend money in free agency. I'm not sure who you expect the team to sign. The guys I've listed are solid free agents. If you expect us to sign the Robinson Cano's of the world you'll be real disappointed. Don't want to rebuild the offense around 30 something y.o. free agents. A recipe for disaster. Dealing Peavy and Rios would be the equivalent of getting high draft picks which is what this team needs at this point.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 26, 2013 -> 07:02 PM) Trade a lesser starter for a bat and sign a couple free agents. I've already said names like McCann, Utley, Morales, & Granderson. All those guys would help. Wrong side of 30. Sell high on Peavy and Rios.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 26, 2013 -> 07:02 PM) And don't forget your other genius idea, waive Ramirez and put Keppinger at SS. If need be.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 26, 2013 -> 06:32 PM) Weakening one area to improve another doesn't make us better. People can hate this team all they want, but if we can sneak into the playoffs, a 1-2 punch of Sale/Peavy could be nasty. And if this season doesn't work out, I'm confident we can improve the offense enough to be a serious playoff contender next year with a rotation of Sale/Peavy/Quintana/Santiago/Danks/Johnson. How are they going to improve the offense and keep Peavy?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 26, 2013 -> 06:15 PM) Then how we do get better? By improving the offense for the return you get for Peavy and Rios.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 26, 2013 -> 05:59 PM) Lol...what #1 starter are we getting in free agency? Edwin Jackson just got 4/$52. I'm sure Hahn/KW/Reinsdorf would love to go out and sign a starter to a 6 or 7 year deal at $20 per. And Rios? Are we getting a potential #3 hitter back in trade for Rios? You've already stated we can't fix the offense in free agency if we held on to Rios. We better get quite the haul or else Sale, Quintana, & Santiago will be free agents by the time we replace Peavy & Rios. Peavy doesn't need to be replaced by a #1 starter.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 26, 2013 -> 05:45 PM) How do you expect to replace these guys? You think our team has no chance of competing right now, despite 3/5 of a championship rotation as you deem it, yet you want to deal a #1 caliber starter and a legit #3 hitter, both of whom are signed to below market deals. Please tell me how trading them makes us better? You've already told us that free agency doesn't have the answers and I can tell you our minor league system doesn't have replacements. Free agency replaces Peavy, Peavy and Rios bring in position prospects.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ May 26, 2013 -> 12:05 PM) Going for it how? The current roster is not Championship Worthy. The offense and bullpen depth are not good. So either you have to have money for free agents or money to take on from trades (which we don't) or have prospects to bring up to trade for ML-ready talent (which we don't). We are the epitome of stuck between a rock and a hard place. The rotation no doubt is Championship worthy, ditto for the backend of the bullpen (Reed-Crain), but everything else brings the team down. This post is spot on. However, I'm closer to thinking the heaviest of lifting in the rebuild is done and that we aren't between a rock and hard place unless they foolishly keep Peavy and Rios to pursue a playoff spot this year.