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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 8, 2013 -> 12:59 PM) Considering a large percentage of your posts are designed to get people to jump on you, i find this post hysterical. It's one thing to get jumped on for an opinion. It's another thing to get jumped on for something you were told. Hahn and Guillen have no beef as difficult as that may be for some here to believe.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 8, 2013 -> 12:58 PM) f*** Phil Rogers and all of the other Chicago writers who don't have the stones to write about anyone when they are relevant. How gutless can you be? He's no Joe Cowley.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 8, 2013 -> 12:50 PM) I like to hear things so keep it up Had some interesting stuff from last year that I didn't post because like I said why get jumped on? Haven't been to the park as much this year due to bad weather and a medical issue.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 8, 2013 -> 12:41 PM) Since when has "being jumped" stopped you from posting anything? If this is the same guy telling you Ozzie was coming back, ROTFL. Don't forget, they offered Ventura an extension after that doosy. Why should I tell this board what I hear after being told how stupid it is?

QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 8, 2013 -> 12:06 PM) Just listening to 670 and Phil Rogers was being interviewed. First, I actually loved one of his crazy trade ideas - Dunn for Ethier. That is worth thinking about, but it isn't the most rebuilding-y move. This is off topic, though. Beyond that, he was talking about KW and essentially said he was lazy. He brought up him going to Egypt during AS break last year as an example, despite having no retort for "that's the work ethic of a man who has already surrendered his job to his successor." He then vaguely mentions that KW didn't put in the hours that other GMs do throughout his career. Realizing that he was saying something highly insulting, he said he was "good at delegating tasks to others" to soften things up. He said that KW's idea of putting in the work for player development was going to the AFL, deciding a player was an All-Star, then singlemindedly trying to get that player from there on out, regardless of anything else. When the hosts were wishing that they could be assured that Hahn is as pissed off and anxious to shake things up as KW is/would be, Rogers didn't seem to believe that KW ever really gave a s***. When asked if he thought KW was seething about the current team, Rogers says he doesn't think so. KW is looking forward to a life out of baseball because he presumably didn't enjoy it. Is anyone buying this? There are a lot of things to say about KW, but lazy is not something I've ever heard. Rogers paints a picture of a fairly disinterested, hands-off general manager. I don't buy it -- he may make questionable decisions like anyone else, but everything that I have observed and heard makes me feel that KW was an over-effort guy, not a low effort GM. Likewise, since I don't have a transcript to examine, did anyone else hear this interview and take away something different from it? Didn't hear the interview, but heard some red flags about his work habits last year from my guy. I did not post it here because I knew I'd get jumped on for it. Anyway, when it was announced that Hahn was taking over I figured that was the reason KW was "slacking."

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 8, 2013 -> 11:15 AM) With all due respect, what do you expect? When you make outrageous statements, refuse to back them up, and then just keep making more crazy statements, people are going to get on you. For God's sake you were trolling the draft day thread yesterday for no good reason. You aren't the victim here. The victims are the people who have to keep reading this garbage ad naseum. I don't consider being skeptical about drafting Baseball America's 200th rated prospect in the 3rd round trolling. If you want a forum of happy talk just say so. What outrageous statements have I made? And, with all due respect, you avoid backing up what you say as much as anyone who posts here

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 8, 2013 -> 09:44 AM) There is no crying in baseball Dick Allen just can't let me be. I find it troubling.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 8, 2013 -> 06:23 AM) So you insist the way to go is dump all your good veterans and play for 2018, then on the other hand say historically the Sox get very little for their veterans. Unlike Marty, I know you actually enjoy when the Sox win. I don't see how this "plan" makes it happen. I think I need a restraining order issued against you Dick Allen. You can't stop harassing me.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Jun 7, 2013 -> 10:18 PM) You really think we can hold the Tigers to 60ish runs? Man, you're right. Verlander, Scherzer, Sanchez, et al are going to carve this team up.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Jun 7, 2013 -> 10:09 PM) We're more than 1/3 way through the season. How much do you need to see? 2/3? It's not mid-April anymore. I hate to think of what the run differential will be in those 19 games against the Tigers. -45 perhaps?

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jun 7, 2013 -> 10:02 PM) Easy to say in the throws of a losing streak, which every team faces eventually. Were you calling for 95 losses before this streak? I don't recall as much. The 1983 team was heading for a similar fate right around this time, and how did that eventually turn out? The point is, the range of the "realm of possibility" remains quite large at this point in the season. Believe what you want to believe.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jun 7, 2013 -> 09:52 PM) Don't exaggerate. "Rock bottom" is in the 100 loss season range. This team won't be quite that awful, as they will pull out of the current rut they're in, and at the very least, play somewhere in between the team that was in first place for the majority of last year and where they're at right now. 95 losses is within realm of possibility as they have played one of the easiest schedules in MLB thus far.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 7, 2013 -> 09:46 PM) I can't even imagine how bad the Sox will be against the Tigers for those 19 games. Sox will be lucky to win 6. not only that, but the pitching staff will be shredded for many of the other 57 games. Please, please, deal Crain asap.

I think this year will be rock bottom in this rebuild.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Jun 7, 2013 -> 09:21 PM) He watches what, 20% of the game? He's a man in motion that's for sure. The look on his face as he was operating, or attempting to operate, his smart phone was funny.

Following the antics of the M&M guy sitting behind the plate is the best reason to watch Sox games these days. Brooks needs to me sure he sits there every game.

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Jun 7, 2013 -> 08:55 PM) How's the draft class looking next year? Sox projected to take Kel Johnson, Ga. HS OF.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 7, 2013 -> 06:38 PM) You'd pay him $3 million + next year? Sure, that's nothing. Somebody will pay that based on his pedigree. I'd rather spend that (and give up Jones) on Smoak than sign Morales to a long-term deal.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 7, 2013 -> 06:45 PM) Two days ago you wanted ALexei taken out behind the barn & shot, now you're concnerned about Tyler Greene or whoever? Somehow I bet youre like those people who go from one end of the world cult to the next, you get all excited becasue some nut is trumpeting the end of days & how god is going to come down from the sky & all that s***, and you have your date, but each time you wake up all f***in disapointed because theres still a world goipng on, so yuou move to the next cult with the next date, always in disappointment that theres noever enough msiery, never a robot apocalypse, no vampires or zombies or either, and if yopure ever right and the world really does end i guaranteed youll compain about haveing to share it with coakroachees, youll be like "f***ing coackroaches i wish this damn world never ended" because you can never be happy. JMO. *Golf Clap* It's the Ultimate Champion of dime store psychologists. You have very little sense of humor, btw.

QUOTE (staxx @ Jun 7, 2013 -> 06:32 PM) If we're selling, does it really matter? If we're selling how are we going to contend next year? You need players people know so that they will watch on tv too.

Who's going to play short if you trade Ramirez?

Very little chance Smoak gets non-tendered. If they'd take Jones for him the Soox should do it.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jun 7, 2013 -> 03:34 PM) This is the type of pick I was alluding to when Marty was ripping our first picks. He may not be signable but there isn't a chance to sign him if we didn't make reaches earlier. I hope we throw big money at the this kid. I understand the strategy if you have multiple picks in the first round. Think the risks outweigh the benefits otherwise.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 7, 2013 -> 02:35 PM) Which is exactly why the idea of value in a pick based simply on his draft position versus where he was actually picked is so absurd. Things have changed. Overdrafting one guy, can lead to the ability to sign another guy that you might not have been able to sign under the current rules. It worked for the Sox last year in picking up someone like Ayala who probably would have gone to school instead of signing for slot. Things are more complex than they were even a couple of years ago. It isn't as simple as "value" anymore. Why not just take the guy you want with the pick? Risk losing he 200th player for the 49th.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 7, 2013 -> 01:48 PM) I think people get too carried away with rankings. If Law and Mayo had all the answers, they would be running someone's draft. Baseball America uses guys like Phil Rogers to rank guys. Baseball is one sport where individual teams' board vary greatly. If you get one really good player out of a draft and 2 or 3 complementary ones, it's a great draft. For all we know ultimately the best player out of this draft for the White Sox may not have even been selected yet. It does make it fun, but it's really impossible to criticize fairly until a few years from now. It's obvious by the state of the Sox farm system their drafting process is broken. I believe taking a guy like May in the third round is an example of this.