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It worries me the Sox have strongest offer. These other teams aren't offering mid-level prospects for him.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DanClarkSports/s...772034241044480

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 09:18 PM) 2y 8 mill for astros. Not a bad deal. Unless he's terrible again. Was just coming to post that would have been a nice deal for the Sox. Oh is my bet to be closer

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 08:09 PM) It also increases the cost of an Abreu extension. Listening to Hahn on the White Sox Talk podcast, it doesn't sound like they are in any rush to extend him

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 07:03 PM) Avi and Anderson. Get it done Hahn. For one year of Manny, that would be awful. Don't forget Orioles want pitching

https://mobile.twitter.com/masnRoch/status/...703697763110912 Makes me think teams are offering MLB players

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 06:03 PM) Does Machado not like the culture in Baltimore? His best friends in baseball are Schoop, Jon Jay, Yonder Alonso and Almora. Let's just sign Jay and Alonso (to be honest, they would both fit roles)

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 05:57 PM) If we think "culture" might matter, then how do we know ours is the culture he might like? I think money will matter and pay him the most and he'll come here, but that means I think culture doesn't matter. For those who think it does...they have to prove that he'll be 110% happy on a losing, kid-loaded team where occasionally the starter gives up 9 runs because he's a rookie or the bullpen rookies blow 6 games in a row. If you believe "The culture thing" will matter, that's the downside risk. People think our culture will somehow be a big selling point, but there's just as much reason to worry. Just pay the guy. And Manny isn't exactly the most jovial of players

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 05:45 PM) Well then for all the hopeful people who automatically write him into their 2019 dream lineup, I guess they have no hope either then. Sure if the Sox want to pay top dollar. Stanton to the Yanks was bad for the WSox as it made Machado more likely for them instead of Harper.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 04:39 PM) NY is a much bigger media market, and the Cubs completely own Chicago right now. This is more of a move you see when the results on the field push the window of competition up by one year...but a Heyward or Machado type doesn’t start the bandwagon, they join one that has already demonstrated a certain amount of success to push them over the top. (The same principle the M’s we’re trying to follow with Cano/Cruz, but they seemingly jumped the gun. In retrospect, their younger core players weren’t ready, and weren’t deep enough...especially with Felix fading.) IMO, it would make more sense if we knew we could rely on Rodon at all. There's not a single reliable pitcher on this roster right now. Could possibly have the most unstable starting/relief group in the majors at this moment. But don't worry, I'm sure Manny will love the culture on a team that blows leads late due to its minor league bullpen

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 05:32 PM) Mets also made the playoffs. The White Sox won't be anywhere near in 2018. Yep they were an exciting team with a lot of exposure and IIRC, the deal he took was worth more over first few years than others offered. Instead of using Cespedes as an example, JUpton is a better one.

Does Manny have any young kids he wants to bring into clubhouse? If so we are screwed

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 05:13 PM) Crazy that Hahn and company are trying to sell him on the culture. It's like arguing a player wants to be in our clubhouse because of the chemistry alone and not the winning. (thank you Don Cooper). If it was a Cuban player, I would say they might be on to something. This just seems insane

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 05:11 PM) I have no idea how you’ve jumped to that conclusion. This is all about gaining an edge against the all other teams who also plan on leveraging the “outbid everyone” strategy. IMO, the Sox wouldn’t even entertain the idea of acquiring him if they weren’t prepared to go all-in in free agency for him. Or maybe they think he will like it so much here he would give them a discount? At this point, no one has any clue what the real story is. They could trade Eloy and Kopech for him or two A ballers and it wouldn't shock me

QUOTE (Soha @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 04:45 PM) The Cardinals are probably the best case scenario for Sox fans. For starters, it sticks it to the Cubs a bit. But even better, there seems to be a growing trend of players not wanting to sign in St. Louis longterm. That probably increases the chance that he doesn't re-sign during the season....thus keeping alive our true hope of the Sox signing him next winter. Excellent thought

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 04:44 PM) If the White Sox are telling you they need him to check out everything before he hits free agency, and he will fall in love and sign an extension, they are also telling you they aren't going to be the highest offer if he gets to free agency. And he's getting to free agency. Still think it's going to be hard to make him like the culture when the team is a threat to lose 100 games

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 04:31 PM) I'm almost against the concept. I guess you could talk me out of Adams maybe? On the grounds of you could get more than that at the deadline even if he has a rough first half like he had last year, but even someone like that is an expensive risk. But seriously I really dislike this as an idea. You're spending $17 million and giving up players for the imaginary idea that he'll do something other than take the best offer made to him on the FA market next year when he's worked hard to get to the point where he can cash in on the best deal? The entire idea sounds like Malarkey to me. It seems like something a small market team would do and then cry poor when the free agent takes a bigger offer elsewhere

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 02:46 AM) Anyone else hate the nickname Gio for Giolito? I can’t be the only one. It was embarrassing hearing Sox fans pronounce his name on the Score today

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:14 AM) It's actually more funny to look at it from the perspective that even the Orioles question the wisdom of a Machado move for the Whitesox and are looking at it from other angles. As DA said, they know Manny would never sign an extension before season ends

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:05 AM) And that worked out great too! His logic was so solid, "If we keep playing like this we'll be right there in the end" was an almost verbatim quote from him in early July of 2015. See the problem yet? All of this "There's no downside" talk ignores the downside we watched happen for a lesser player. He got terrible offers for the guy and talked himself into the idea that his team could compete because they had a good 8 game stretch and got back to .500 in early July. Who also had way more of a connection to the Sox

QUOTE (oldsox @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:58 AM) The Shields trade counts twice, it was soooo stupid. Getting only two prospects (and I love both Kopech and Moncada) for Sale is another. The Yankee swindle is a third or fourth. One to go. Sale trade was fair, no complains there

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:52 AM) Anyone think the Yankees offer could be better but they just don't want to trade him to the Yankees? Pretty much guarantee that

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:51 AM) The thing is there isn't going to be an extension. I am pretty sure Baltimore knows that or they would be negotiating with him. Probably one reason they won't grant a 72 hour window, even though that would virtually guarantee he wouldn't be traded to the Yankees, is because they know it is pointless. Great point

Btw WSD has no new info https://mobile.twitter.com/barstoolWSD/stat...438517942669312

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:47 AM) It makes zero sense for the White Sox if they don't plan to sign him. If the White Sox are truly interested trading for him, I don't buy that part. Even flipping him is a risk. What if he gets hurt or has a slow start? It's really a no win situation if he comes here next year without an extension. If he plays incredible, then he possibly prices himself even more out of Sox plans. If he struggles on a losing team, then he might want to go to a different organization