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QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 05:07 PM) I don't buy at all that this is a solid tournament team even at full health. Agreed

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 06:09 PM) And either reaction will be ridiculously overdone by Sox fans. oh come on, you know if they don't get a big OF, people will blame it on Kenny

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 06:11 PM) Considering he originally wanted three years and $40-50 million, the actual 3/$35 (with buyout) is about the same percentage lower compared to original expectations Gordon accepted. Both older/more experienced players, both coming off major injuries that dampened their values a bit...more wear and tear in the past in terms of career games played as a risk factor in the nearer future. That said, Gordon has one of the toughest diet and physical training regimens possible. come on, this is getting ridiculous

Cards and Cubs also could be lurking with Fowler back to Cubs

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 09:47 PM) Then this thread can be deleted. I f***ing hate the Sox sometimes. They're one good hitter away from being a legit contender and of course they won't go for it. SMDH. or maybe it's because they don't want to tie up 20-25% of their payroll on an inconsistent player coming off a career year (Cespedes) or a player that many scouts question their passion for the game (Upton)

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 09:46 PM) Here's a really outside the box idea: sign Desmond to play SS and Alexei to play RF. Alexei is most known as a SS as we all know, but he did play a bit of outfield in '08. As far as I'm concerned, he'd be an upgrade over Avi and his defense would most likely be adequate. Why would you put someone who can't hit and move them to a position that requires someone to actually be a good hitter to be useful? If anything, they'd sign Desmond and put him in CF as teams think he can be a superb OF

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 09:43 PM) If true, this simply means they won't land Cespedes or Upton. I think this is a good time to simply change our expectations. Fowler would be nice, too. Span seems to be a much better fit. No draft pick and you can get him for less years.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 09:41 PM) No thanks. Desmond is better than Cespedes IMO

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 10:38 PM) It's all good. Sox will miss out cause they didn't want to offer more then 3 yrs. They will turn around and trade Quintana, fulmer and Anderson for cargo lol How about this...trade Tim Anderson and Danish for Dickerson and then sign Desmond

QUOTE (Saufley @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 09:37 PM) Oh boy. I can't wait until Bears training camp! Just wait until the Tigers sign Cespedes

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 09:33 PM) Well, if true, makes 0 sense. Agreed....of course, maybe JR is gun shy after Hahn's horrible FA acquisitions last year.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 09:17 PM) Nothing in that article really states the White Sox are cooling on the players, but instead are seeing if their prices fall further. There is a big difference between those two things. There was nothing new in that article. Just a writer putting together his opinion based on all the tweets/articles that came out yesterday.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 08:09 PM) So there's also no reason NOT to believe the White Sox didn't offer four years and $80 million to Gordon on Monday, December 27th. We have the national writers saying three years was the max tendered and our inside sources saying four. I've not seen this from a single person

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 07:30 PM) Junior? Escape Plan

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 07:31 PM) Otoh, we paid a premium for offensive potential in Cabrera and didn't get any there, either. Gordon would have received the biggest contract in Sox history. Melky's deal is hardly a "premium", despite how much you want to try and spin the Gordon deal from KC's side.

You guys are far too mature for me. In no particular order, my favorites are: - Shawshank - Borat - Major League - Wedding Crashers - Lego Movie - The Girl Next Door - Great Escape - Little Big League

QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 07:43 PM) Some interesting things to point out just from a quick glance. Dexter Fowler was essentially responsible for 20 runs scored in 2014 and around 13 last year. As opposed to Jason Heyward who was +24(saved). Cespedes was also better than Alex Gordon in that department. Alex Gordon dropped off pretty significantly. I never understood the Sox paying a premium for LF defense with Gordon given the smaller dimensions at the Cell compared to KC

I said this yesterday, but if the Sox were only going to go 3 years on these guys, there's no way it was going to work financially with where this year's payroll is already at.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 02:55 PM) I wonder if a 3 year/$90 million deal would work. The Sox could pay him $20 million in 2016 and $35 million in 2017/2018. That's a huge payroll commitment for 1 guy in the last 2 years of the deal, but the duration of the contract isn't too bad. Plus it saves money for 2016 while Danks and LaRoche are still on the books. Gross...Cespedes is just not worth a huge number like this. Much rather have Desmond for significantly cheaper

Cespedes is definitely type of guy who would seem to shine in his walk year

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 10:43 PM) I don't think that gets it done from Miami's standpoint but we'll see. Definitely works for me though. Hopefully the Rangers get Ozuna, and that takes them out of the running for Upton

QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 09:20 PM) You could recoup it next off-season by offering Upton a QO Good point, I take back my "hell no" and say "probably not"

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 09:40 PM) How about trading for ozuna? On mlbtr they are said to be looking for a young pitcher. This is a guy I would trade Adams and maybe another piece for. Erik Johnson for Ozuna and then sign a starting pitcher

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 09:38 PM) The big problem here is the costs for clear upgrades at SS (Desmond), SP (Kennedy, Gallardo, Chen, Fister, Latos) and outfield (Span, Parra, Fowler, Jackson maybe) are going to cost more than Gordon for any combination of two together, with the possible exceptions of Jackson/Parra and one of the weaker pitchers. Haven't you been advocating going after SS/OF/SP as a trio instead of one of the big 3 for the last two weeks?

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 10:38 PM) Would you guys prefer Cespedes by himself or Span/Jackson as a package? Span/Jackson is the more likely outcome it seems like, but Cespedes is much more talented. No it's not...doubt either want to head into a platoon situation.