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QUOTE (MAX @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 09:26 PM) Furthermore, why are you so upset about it? Its not your money. We don't even know if its the white sox money or some insurance company's money. Cause it's 17 million dollars that could have been spent elsewhere to improve the team? Same reason a lot of people were upset about the pointless Jackson for Hudson trade.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 08:17 PM) Stop living in the moment and realize that this second doesn't last forever. That's way too deep for me

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 08:16 PM) When he is healthy is a lot different than he is an ace. No one has any idea what type of pitcher he'd be now even if he was healthy. Too many things have changed from 3-4 years ago. I don't think he's ever going to rediscover a consistent 94-95 mph fastball as well as a devastating slider.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 09:13 PM) Garland was a solid middle of the rotation pitcher at his peak who got way to much crap from Sox fans. If Peavy is healthy he is a legitimate ace. The comparison of them is terrible. Didn't you just say earlier that there weren't a lot of people on here saying this?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 09:10 PM) Are you really putting Jon Garland and Jake Peavy into the same league? Well, one person accomplished a lot with the Sox yet fans still didn't like him as much as they should have...and the other one is the complete opposite.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 09:01 PM) Who the heck is that? I think he was on Toronto last year. Hawk had a 9 inning erection every game we played them discussing how strong he was.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 09:02 PM) Raburn just isn't that good of a player, think of Tyler Colvin, came up and hit well but is now pretty much the suckage people thought beforehand. I mean, he's already 30 years old. Wasn't he pretty damn good last year?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 09:01 PM) We're that desperate for peanuts? Well, when Jeff Francis is supposed to be one of the biggest names on the market, I wouldn't be so quick to say Jackson couldn't get you anything.

QUOTE (MAX @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 08:58 PM) I think you are romanticizing this team and the game a little bit. I don't think these guys get distracted so easily. They are paid professionals, most of them have been doing this for years. They might perform worse in roles they aren't used to, but I don't see them losing focus because one of their teammates gets hurt a few times a year. In fact, they are used to him getting hurt, too. When you have to go to a 6 man rotation and have fewer guys in the bullpen, then it disrupts your team (especially given the lack of depth in our pen). The biggest disappointment about Peavy's inability to stay healthy this year is we can't trade Jackson if we want to.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 08:55 PM) In other words...there's still a good number of reasons to look at that team and think they're "April Cleveland-ing" it right now. Well, if you want to say Peralta is overachieving, then I'd suggest that Raburn is underachieving and likely to improve as season goes on. No one talks about how ridiculous the Indians bullpen has been this year, and that's why they won so many games the first two months.

Erstad has to be included on this, as well as any pitcher drafted in the 8th round or lower out of college because they had to fight to make the majors.

I swear, every time we faced the A's last year, he told the same story of how great Suzuki is and how smart the A's were for locking him up to a multi-year deal.

Haven't seen it mentioned a lot, but I find it interesting that Dirk was traded by the Buck to Mavs for recently deceased Robert Traylor.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 08:48 PM) Jhesus, he has an .860 OPS for the year. No wonder the Tigers have taken over first. With Austin Jackson picking it up and Boesch adding some punch, that lineup is quite scary. They're one trade away from being in a great position to win the AL Central. I thought Phil Coke had been horrible, but was shocked to see how good his ERA is.

So who are the players that Hawk seems to have a love for even though they're not exactly all star players? I can think of the following: - Carlos Gomez (Team Captain) - Kurt Suzuki - Randy Ruiz - Brandon Inge - Matt Harrison

QUOTE (WilliamTell @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 08:44 PM) Between Jake Peavy and Juan Pierre, we have the J.P. initials well covered in talks. Can we trade for Jhonny Peralta?

I'm just shocked at how much slack White Sox fans have shown Peavy. I don't hate Jake, I just don't really care for him that much as I view him as a colossal waste of money so far in a Sox jersey due to injuries and inconsistency. I wonder what people would be saying if he didn't come to Chicago with a "gamer" reputation, and instead had a reputation like Judy Garland.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 08:35 PM) That people here are regularly arguing otherwise? Yes, there's a handful of posters that believe he can recapture his ability.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 08:32 PM) Someone said something about jumps to conclusions? Jump to conclusions that he's no longer of the same caliber he was?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 08:27 PM) The complaining is bad enough, but the jumps to conclusions that don't even make sense are what is driving me crazy. And to play devil's advocate, it drives some people crazy that there are posters that still view him as the NL Cy Young caliber pitcher before injuries and pitching in the Grand Canyon in a different era.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 06:59 PM) How on Earth would moving Peavy to the pen necessitate adjustments to the pen? taking away valuable innings from Lucas Harrell or Brian Bruney? I was talking about having Peavy back in the rotation, and why unless he's going to be healthy, he's just a distraction and disrupts the flow of the team. I don't think they'll ever move him back to the pen, but if they're doing it for the rest of the year, then I'm fine with that (since we have a need for another righty reliever).

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 06:35 PM) This post has no logic, none. We are much better with Peavy and the attitude he brings to the clubhouse. The point that if we make adjustments to the rotation, and more importantly, the pen to accomodate Peavy again just to have him get hurt and mess up the rotation is why I think we're better off without him this year (since it doesn't seem like he'll be 100% again). I was excited that maybe Peavy turned a corner with that great Indians start, but it seemed that game just took a lot out of him as his fastball was way down after it. I'd much rather go with the 5 man rotation we have and try and get another righty into the pen. And for the record, I think that a less than 100% Peavy would be our 6th best starting pitcher.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 06:41 PM) I'd still trade him for Logan Morrison in a heartbeat. What's faster than a heartbeat? That's how fast I'd do that, as Morrison is going to be a stud and he seems like a great clubhouse guy also.