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QUOTE(TaylorStSox @ Oct 16, 2006 -> 03:13 AM) Better in the second half? They play in a garbage conference and lost in the first round of the tourney. Try again. btw... this all started when the KU fan started antagonizing Illini fans at a time when we're obviously pissed. So the "trash talking" is somewhat justified. Illinois played one of the worst at-large teams in the history of the tournament, and then lost in the 2nd round of the tournament. In 2004, I can understand trash talking about the tournament showing by Kansas. However last year, they lost to a damn good Bradley team. Taylor...let me ask you this: if Kansas played Illinois this year 10 times on a neutral court, how many times would you predict Illinois would win?

QUOTE(TaylorStSox @ Oct 16, 2006 -> 02:42 AM) I never said they were boring. I said they're frustrating to watch because they have so much talent but suck so bad. Face it. All those burger boys and you're getting beat by mid majors in the only games that really count. Kansas, with a bunch of freshman, was clearly a better team after December than Illinois was last season (a team with a lot of experience). Kansas returns everyone from that same team, and Illinois lost their two stable forces. I'm not a big fan of either team, but Illinois fans might want to think twice before trash talking Kansas fans about what's going to happen this year.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 15, 2006 -> 10:33 PM) Well, with all due respect, him or anyone else on here isn't a manager because we don't have the same oppurtunities and connections than Ozzie Guillen, someone who played the game and has all the connections in the world. I couldn't have been more sarcastic.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Oct 15, 2006 -> 02:18 PM) Don't you find it interesting that just about everyone in baseball, even the Yankees where money isn't an issue, find McCarthy a lot more attractive than any of the other members of the greatest rotation ever assembled. Maybe just maybe Ozzie is wrong, and BMac is a good starting pitcher. Will you stop!! If you know so much more than Ozzie, then why aren't you the manager?

Looks like we're never going to hear someone say he has a gun defensively anymore.

How did D.J. White look tonight? Anyone think he can stay healthy this year?

Here's my thought on the Gordon sage: this isn't Sampson's fault. Gordon did nothing to try and prevent IU from recruiting him once Sampson took the job. Rather, it seems like Gordon Jr. loved the attention, and he felt like IU was a better fit for him. This isn't a scenario where someone like Coach K all of a sudden decided to recruit a player, and then he went after someone who had already verballed to a program. At the end of the day, Gordon Jr. wanted to go to IU and play for Sampson.

QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 11, 2006 -> 09:04 PM) Though there is no proof and all witness accounts state the plane appeared to have mechanical issues. I don't see the point in s***ting on the guy. And if it's not true, it's libel. Or is there a direct quote from AR.... I'm actually pretty sure that there were some direct quotes in the war of words between Lidle and Rhodes that was very ugly.

QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 11, 2006 -> 08:57 PM) Very. Would you mind altering the hearsay you posted above? In regards to what Rhodes said? I think it's relevant just because it shows that someone has already mentioned a while ago that he's a reckless pilot.

Rumors I'm hearing is that Lidle definitely was in the plane, and he's presumed to have died.

2004 stats don't mean anything now. They're about as worthless as Scott Podsednik's left arm.

I was told that Phil Rogers has an article in the upcoming Baseball America about this.

I've heard that the Sox have left him off of the 40 man roster, so he's going to be a FA unless they change their mind in the next few weeks. Any update on his situation?

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Oct 10, 2006 -> 02:36 AM) actually, the one knock on Ryan Zimmerman is his putrid defense. He had issues in his only minor league season as well as issues this year in the majors. he's a loooong way from the gold glove. just look at his .965 fielding percentage this season, compare that to .978... I thought he's considered one of the best young defensive 3B in history?

This thread has the potential to be the longest thread in soxtalk history? So far, what's been the thread with the most pages?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 9, 2006 -> 02:28 AM) The fans dont pay the bills. You have to think Big George is not happy with A-rod right now, and someone has to be shown the door. Out of all the marquee players that you let go, he is the first. Plus you know they are going to make a run at pitching next year, why dont we offer up some clutch playoff pitchers (Garcia, Mark, Count) and see if they bite on one of them. This isn't meant for you Rock, but the next one to offer up Contreras or Vazquez in a trade to the Yankees is going to make me punch someone.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 11:52 PM) All good points row, fath, collapse. It seemed to me that far too often this season Uribe and Anderson were automatic outs. You can't be giving up two outs every time through the order. Obviously the main point of this thread is Alex Rodriguez, I think we're all in agreement that Rodriguez at short stop for the White Sox would be an excellent acquisition. As for the asking price, I think the people who threw out Crede and Garcia are on to something. You're absolutely right about them being automatic outs...it really killed our offense when you take into consideration how pathetic Pods was this season. If Uribe is your only designated "defensive" player, then he's a great fit. It's when you have too many other "defensive" players, that's when the easy outs start to add up.

Much like Freddy Garcia, Juan Uribe is the type of player who I think will definitely have "career years" during their contract years.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 11:40 PM) I don't come here to start s***, you did that yourself. I came here to talk baseball, saying that I thought a guy making top dollar with the lowest on-base percentage in baseball didnt have trade value isn't flawed. Is top dollar really 4.5 million for someone who will hit you 20 homers and drive in 70 RBI while hitting at the bottom of the order....while playing well above average defense? No offense red, but you make it sound like he's making 8 mil a year on a team with a 40 million dollar payroll.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 11:32 PM) It's not a pot shot, he's close minded about the White Sox, I'm close minded about the Red Sox. All fans are close minded to some degree. Well, I was confused by your stance also. You said he had no trade value at all, and then when someone made a point about him not being worthless, you agreed. Personally, I think Uribe would be a valuable trade chip as part of a bigger package. If you're just trading him, you're likely going to have to trade for someone with a similar salary.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 11:29 PM) Because he'll never be good enough offensively It will be interesting to see if Chavez wins the Gold Glove this year. This was one of his best defensive years, but he was terrible offensively. QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 11:29 PM) It makes plenty of sense, you are just extremely close minded. Once again, I like what he brings to the table. Once again, I don't believe he has any value on the trade market. And I was just about to commend you on being respectful to us White Sox fans in this debate.

There's always a team like the Nationals who will give up the farm for a certain type of player.

There are definitely some teams that wouldn't mind a good defensive SS with some pop who only makes 4.5 million. Of course, I think it's more likely that Uribe is packaged with either Garcia or Buehrle.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 07:38 PM) Rodriguez is payed $16 million by the Yankees, as a short stop that's a relatively fair price. Crede, Garcia for Alex Rodriguez is a fair deal for both teams and it makes a boatload of sense. Yep, it really does. Anyone who thinks that we'll get him for anything less than that is fooling themselves. ARod would be a guaranteed 40 homers a year playing at the Cell.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 07:43 AM) The Yankees build their team on paper. Doesn't always work that way. Sounds like another team I know this season.