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QUOTE(whitesoxmanager @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 02:19 AM) urgency is something like an intangible...we let those players go...i will say that i am surprised that AJ is taking this so well...?? he is the one guy that i thought would show his face...OZ probably told the guys to let him do all that... AJP's been a dog this entire 2nd half of the season. Everyone keeps saying we need these "urgent" players like Rowand, etc. Isn't this what Ozzie is supposed to be good at?

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 02:18 AM) magic 8 ball is on the fritz. He needs a refund on that.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 02:18 AM) magic 8 ball is on the fritz. How can Javy get the win if he's pulled after 7 and we're losing? Also, we have to do this, so this way people can say how fatigued are starters are NEXT year due to how many innings they threw this year.

Why in the world are we using MacDougal? We need to be as cautious as possible with him now. Can PK give up his captain position?

We all know the season is over...but don't you think these players would have at least a little urgency tonight knowing that their season's not over, and the Twins/Tigers lost?

Any thoughts on the Sox trying to trade for ARod this offseason, and make him a SS? Give the Yanks Garcia and Fields, and hope they throw some money into the deal?

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 02:08 AM) Eh, that's the whole mental/physical mistake thing. Paulie made a bad throw. Spiff happens, okay. Uribe had time to get him, but he was just dumb. Like I said...with Ichiro running, just make sure your foot is on the base and get that out.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 02:07 AM) It's quite amazing that Vaz only has 2 wins in now 13 starts (most likely) since the ASB and his ERA will be around 4, yet pre ASB he had 9 wins with an ERA of 5.07. Vazquez has pitched MUCH better, but he's still had his typical 6th inning blow-ups far too often, and that prevented us from winning some real big games.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 02:06 AM) Unfortunately IMO. I don't think his trade value is very high, and I actually think he can be better next year. I'd much rather get rid of either Garcia or Buehrle....guys who have higher trade value and contract situations coming up.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 02:05 AM) Well a nice outing again by Vazquez. He deserved much better in terms of run support. Yep...he'll be back next season.

QUOTE(Felix @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 02:04 AM) Thats more Paulie's fault than Uribe's, but just my opinion. The throw was fine...Uribe jumped too early for it in order to get out of the way and attempt the throw to first base.

Ugh...no reason to have MacDougal pitching back-to-back games right now.

Uribe continues his impeccable defensive season. With Ichiro running, you have to make sure you get the out at 2nd.

QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 01:58 AM) Does anyone else hate Uribe's bat toss every time he hits a can of corn to the OF? He's our best hitter right now...the ball's just not jumping in the cold weather tonight. QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 01:59 AM) Gene LaMont did. Not only was he fired, he suffered the ultimate humiliation and was replaced by Bevington. The only way Ozzie gets fired is if his mouth gets him fired.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 01:57 AM) Realistically is a manager going to get fired if his team wins say 90 games in a season? If we didn't win the WS last year, and with all the crap off the field with Ozzie this season, there'd be a huge uproar in the media about how this team played like a bunch of dogs over the last two months.

Scott Boras is probably begging Crede to sit out the rest of the season. He's on the verge of going from a .300 hitter to a .275 hitter if he keeps struggling the rest of the year.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 01:55 AM) What, exactly will booing accomplish? Kenny is already pissed with this team's performance. Hawk is finally starting to question Guillen and the players realize the position they put them in. Why stop with booing? Let's throw trash on the field and run after Neal Cotts after he gives up yet another 9th inning run. Let's show those Cub fans who means business! All I said was that I'm surprised there's not more booing. Chicago fans seem to boo quite frequently, and everyone knows how frustrated our fans are right now. In a way, I'm proud of our fans for staying classy.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 01:53 AM) You act like we're under .500 or something. We're well under .500 since the ASB, and the intensity level has been pathetic down the stretch. I have no problem with this team not making the playoffs...not once in the last 3 months did they give me any reason to think they're better than the Tigers and Twins. However, what's not acceptable is how these guys have just turned off the engine since this month started. If Ozzie didn't win the WS last year, there'd be a lot of people saying he deserves to be fired.

Ah yes...Hawk saying our pitching is finally coming around now. We're going to have to hear that line all offseason.

The worst thing about our inability to score without hitting a homer just increases the odds of Juan Pierre being our CF next year.

I'm shocked at the lack of booing going on tonight by the crowd. I'll be content if we don't see PK, Crede, Thome, and Iguchi play another game for the rest of the season. Those guys don't seem interested in playing....so don't.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 01:46 AM) I thought he was saying "If we don't win, blame me." Uhh.....is Ozzie waiting for this team to fail? Why wouldn't he making changes NOW if he obviously sees it's not working? These players just have flat out sucked during the 2nd half of the season. It's amazing how bad we've been with the talent that we have.

Nice pull approach PK....I guess sometimes you get a hit, sometimes you don't.

I forgot my line that I've been using a lot lately: another early inning offensive explosion. Why don't we experiment with Iguchi in the 7 or 8 spot the rest of the season? Yay...good job Thome.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 01:33 AM) Instead of playing the young guys, I would rather see Ozzie have some fun and make the lineup drawing names out of his hat. It couldn't be worse than his typical vs. LHP lineup with Pablo/Gooch/Dye/Thome/Konerko/AJ/Crede/Uribe/Mack or Anderson Of course Mack goes down against LHP. Why not see what Fields can do in left? Do we really have to wait until we are mathematically eliminated? Anyone else just infuriated when Ozzie says "don't blame anyone else...blame me"?