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QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 09:21 PM) PFB "I cant blame ozzie for not pulling Vazquez, I mean if he is cruising through 5 and just loses it. Its kind of hard to explain. Lets just get them next time" I dont think that Rongey actually is in the studio, I think he just hits play on the same crap he used from Javys last start, because it looks to be the same to me. If you take a step back and think about it, it's absolutely amazing that the thing about Vazquez that EVERYONE complained about after his last start came back and haunted us again today. Even the biggest Ozzie supporters seem livid about his managing today. QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 09:22 PM) Because we would avoid the upcoming epic battle of some bum named Halladay and Cy Wrong Javy. Can that game please be rained out.

I'm surprised we didn't alter our rotation after the ASB to make sure that Vazquez faced the Royals in this upcoming series.

QUOTE(Jake @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 09:17 PM) I guarantee Jenks through a significantly larger amount of pitches than Thornton, not to mention Thornton has kicked their asses. I was saying how dumb it was to put Jenks in before we even brought him in. At least wait till Thornton gets in trouble. Nonetheless, Vazquez should have been pulled in the 6th after letting a batter reach base. Not after spiff goes south. It's a debate between Mr. Optimism and Mr. Pessimism, and I'm sticking up for Ozzie.

QUOTE(Friend of Nordhagen @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 09:17 PM) Yes, The Ronge (I refuse to call him The Ranger because I think it's another lame nickname concocted by Ed Farmer) just "can't figure it out" with Javier. Memo to The Ronge: Javier is dogdung. Vazquez is the opposite of what a grinder is.

QUOTE(Jake @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 09:12 PM) This is Ozzie's fault. Pitching Bobby for a third straight day after he's looked like spiff the past two days is just stupid. I'm getting sick of this "He's my closer so he will always close" bullspiff. We should have left Thornton in, he only threw 7 pitches the inning before and threw just 1/3 of an inning each of our previous 2 games, not to mention how dominating he has looked. I could just imagine the outrage on here if he left in Thornton, and he blew the game. Thornton had pitched in all 3 games this wknd, and it doesn't matter how many innings he threw. For relievers, they typically end up throwing more pitches warming up in the bullpen than they do on the mound.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 09:04 PM) Had the Sox actually won today, I would have called it a good win. Difference from yesterday is that my expectations for Vazquez are basically non-existant, and any game won by the Sox with Vazquez on the mound is a good performance. This team was so fun to watch through the end of May. Then you realized the pitching really wasn't that good and now we're just bad in general. Frustrating season so far. I just hate that the Yankees made a huge upgrade today, and it sounds like the Twins will do something prior to the deadline.

I haven't seen anyone that's solely blamed Jenks for the loss. However, he did blow the save today. He does deserve a lot of the blame. It's his job to get the final 3 outs of the game, and he didn't. He's struggled recently, and we need him to get confidence in his curveball again. He's been great this year though, and we'd be in a lot of trouble if he didn't contribute the way he has so far.

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 08:57 PM) I'm glad we're not getting Abreu, I just don't think he's as good as people say. If it's possible, he's turned into the most underrated, overrated player in baseball.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 08:56 PM) If not, could we banish Vazquez to Siberia. He'd get about half way there, and then his boat or flight would implode.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 08:54 PM) My dream is to pick the paper tomorrow and read the headline ... VAZQUEZ DFA I'd rather see we traded him for a team willing to pick up his whole contract.

Instead of starting a new thread, just figured I'd bump this.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 08:48 PM) ANy game where the pitching gives up 6+ runs, your team probably does not deserve to win. Cool...I might as well not watch any game Vazquez pitches.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 08:45 PM) I guess Javy will go for his 100th loss next time. If it's against Halladay, as it looks like it will be, we might as well order the champagne now.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 08:44 PM) He wasnt gassed. His velocity was fine. He threw a few curves over for the first batter, and then tried to overthrow his fastball. He plunked Tejada. Then they realized that all they had to do was look for one pitch. Bad game all around, except for Dye. When Jenks has been most effective this year, he used the offspeed pitch with 2 strikes. He hasn't thrown as many fastballs passed hitters this season as he did last year.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 08:43 PM) Why was the infield in Ask the manager.

QUOTE(Soxman72 @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 08:42 PM) That could have been a DP in the infield was at normal depth, but oh well If you're going to walk the guy to load the bases, you have to play the infield back to try and get the DP.

Well, that sucked. Let the meltdown begin. Jenks...use your curveball once buddy!

QUOTE(Felix @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 08:40 PM) Huh? Probably in regards to blown saves.

Why would you walk Patterson? He's a massive strikeout threat against Jenks.

Great piece of hitting there. We're in a lot of trouble. Jenks is just another of our pitchers who has really been off recently.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 08:38 PM) Bobby seems to be overthrowing. Yep, and that's why he hit Tejada.

Oh boy, here we go. I still question why he didn't try to throw Tejada a 1-2 offspeed pitch, but it's too late to change that.

Ugh! He missed his spot by about two feet there. Lets get another DP on Gibbons.

This is likely Tejada's last Orioles AB.

Good series of pitches. Be careful with Tejada here.