fathom

QUOTE(SoxFanForever @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 07:10 AM) What has he said lately? I haven't had much of a chance to catch a lot of the broadcasts. He's been very skeptical about Ozzie's use of Marte. On Friday night, he kept saying how much he questioned the move. Then, tonight, the TV kept showing Marte on the bench as they were saying how you can't keep pitching people in the bullpen if they're going to walk batters. You no longer hear Hawk praise Ozzie for all his decisions. No more comments like "Ozzie has something in mind for the stretch run, etc."

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 04:04 AM) I agree. Losing the division and making the wild card is the kiss of death to me because we would be the only team out of 8 that would go in on a negative note. We MUST win the division to have a chance to do ANYTHING in the playoffs. I think people are using the wild card as a crutch hope but you can't tell me that we can recover quickly enough to win three series if we blow this lead. That said, let's win some f***ing games so this isn't a problem Not making the playoffs is THE ONLY BAD SCENARIO!

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 06:13 AM) You can blame the White Sox for this trend of negativity. Everyone observing these two clubs play recently should be freightened. 2.5 game lead in this division can evaporate quickly with Cleveland playing TB and KC. The Yankees should be the team we hope lose more so than the Indians. With their remaining schedule, the Indians will have to really fall off to not pass us up in the AL.

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 02:30 AM) He doesn't like Ozzie for some reason, it probably went back to their playing days. I guess I don't know but I would figure that Ozzie was a better player than Brantley. But yeah he's been hating Ozzie and the White Sox all year. It started after Ozzie reacted poorly to Brantley's deserved criticism for how Ozzie handled the bullpen in that Angels home game on Memorial Day, I think. It's safe to say we're not exactly the team America roots for.

I can't wait to see this team swinging for the fences against a big time sinker baller. Over/under on double plays by the Sox is 3.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 05:29 AM) Cleveland has really impressed me, much as it pains me to say it. They clearly want this division a lot more than we do. It's so impressive to see them playing loose and confident. I guarantee you would never have their manager saying "WE STINK"!

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 05:23 AM) Ive been saying that all season long. Every time me and the rest of the chat crew b**** about the Sunday lineup. I bet he'd like to have a few of those back right now. A lot more than just the Sunday lineups I have an issue with. Nuke, you know I love the chat crew. I'm sure we've discussed problems that we see with our manager.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 05:15 AM) Anyone who dislikes Ozzie Guillen cannot possibly stand to watch a game called by Hawk Harrelson. I'd rather watch the game muted than listen to Hawk's annoying excuses for everything this organization does, including our idiot manager. Harrelson is a clown just like Jay Mariotti says he is. That's about the only thing Mariotti has ever gotten right. Hawk does not like Ozzie's managing now. He's made it rather obvious.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 05:19 AM) I cant believe they gave this f***ing guy a big extension based on a half season of success. At least wait to see what hes really capable of before pulling out the wallet. There's so much I would love to complain about on here, but I don't want to get banned. I want Ozzie to play his best players, and I don't give a s*** what the story of the player is. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 05:12 AM) f***, give me Razor Shines, give the job to Rock, do something. This is a joke I cant take anymore. Ozzie is the worst in-game manager I've ever seen in baseball.

Well, Ozzie said he won't worry until we're 1 game behind. Thankfully, it means the person leading our team doesn't feel like every game is important now.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 05:10 AM) I really can say I have confidence in our players. Our manager will be the death of us.... So are you saying you agree with what I've been saying all year?

QUOTE(chisoxfan79 @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 04:14 AM) Alright so make Hermanson A 7th inning matchup guy and close with Jenks, I just hate when Ozzie plays matchups in the ninth inning when we have the lead. Um, you're preaching to the leader of the choir here. There's no one that dislikes Ozzie's managing more than myself. The ONLY saving grace for me if this team doesn't make the playoffs is that maybe he'll get fired. Of course, I'd rather have the Sox make the playoffs and lose every game 10-0 instead of missing the playoffs.

QUOTE(Greg Hibbard @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 04:15 AM) However you slice it, Oakland is choking way worse than the Sox in September. Wow, I couldn't disagree w/you more. In order to choke/collapse, you typically have to have been in the driver's seat. It's not choking if you blow a basketball game when you're up 3 with 5 minutes left. We seem to be doing our best Arizona basketball impression against the Illini. My question is this: why do some people get so offensive about saying we're choking? No one is saying we choked. It's not like saying this team is choking is going to make you lose your job or risk your family's health.

Oakland's also missing two huge cogs in Cosby and Harden. Also, Kielty has been injured for them.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 04:10 AM) It isn't Oz's fault Freddie sucked in the biggest game of his Sox career. The 4-0 lead was death even though we did battle back. We only win of late when we get DOMINANT pitching and he sucked. We had a spirited comeback to take the lead heading into the 8th. Ozzie had to get us 6 outs with our relievers, and he pulled our best reliever so he could bring in his buddies Viz and Marte. What more does Cotts have to do to get a bigger role w/this team?

QUOTE(chisoxfan79 @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 04:09 AM) I wish Ozzie would play matchups in the seventh, Pollite in the eigth, and Hermanson or Jenks in the ninth. That is the way I would handle the bullpen. Hermanson can't be in a close game now. I love the guy for what he's done this year, but a back injury has really hurt his overall game now.

QUOTE(Greg Hibbard @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 04:07 AM) Do the A's deserve to make it with their paper thin lineup and overrated starters like Dick Hard-on and Rich Haren? Do the Red Sox deserve to make it with their patchwork bullpen and inconsistencies? Do the Yankees deserve to make it with their ludicrous rotation? Any more than the Sox do? The great part is that we'll see in 13 games. I will be absolutely pissed though if I see any whining on here if the Sox don't make the playoffs that go like this "how can Ozzie get bashed, we won 94 games, and still didn't make the playoffs"! You have a 15 game lead on August 1st, you need to find a way to make it.

This team deserves to have a chance to make the playoffs. Out of every negative thing I've been saying this year, the one constant is this: IF THE SOX DON'T MAKE THE PLAYOFFS, THEY DON'T DESERVE TO MAKE IT. THEY WOULD HAVE NO ONE TO BLAME BUT THEMSELVES!

QUOTE(letsgoarow @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 04:06 AM) or it could be 5 in wc and 3.5 in division You mean like it was heading into today when everyone couldn't imagine how much our lead had diminished?

The Indians are finding ways to win, and the Sox are finding ways to lose. It's basically the first half of the season in reverse.

QUOTE(chisoxfan79 @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 03:55 AM) How will all you Sox fans be spending your October? Seeing how there will be no playoff baseball on the South Side yet again and probally not for the next 5 years because this Indians team will dominate the AL central for that long maybe longer. Like I have recent Octobers.....hoping for the best for the Sox offseason, and getting ready for college basketball season. I think we can all agree that this isn't the team of destiny that many felt it was, and that if they miss the playoffs, we'll get over it. I'm on the record saying we'll have a better Sox team in the next 5 years. By better, I mean a team with a better chance to win the World Series. This team simply has too little offense, and an awful manager.

QUOTE(Felix @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 04:00 AM) You forget so quickly that Crede started the rally which got the Sox on the board with the RBI single, eh? Yeah, it's funny how some people always get bashed, no matter what they do.

QUOTE(Felix @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 03:56 AM) Yes. There is something wrong with it. You might not believe it, but Ozzie got the team to where it is today (FIRST PLACE IN THE AL IF YOU FORGOT), and despite some poor decisions in games, he is not the only one to blame. It's a 162 game season.

Wow, a new creative title for "In or Out"? The funny thing is that it doesn't matter at all what couch potatoes like myself or anyone else say. If starting a thread like this makes you feel better, then kudos to you for trying. I know we're all just searching for anything positive right now. BTW...I predicted 3 weeks ago we wouldn't make the playoffs in chat, and I'm standing with that prediction. Will I be happy if we make it? f*** yes, just as much as anyone else.