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The more I hear from Everett, the more I'm convinced he'd be a perfect fit for Dusty and the Cubs.

With all the lefties the DBacks have, they're a good match-up against our pitchers, besides Buehrle.

If you couldn't see that his bad starts were just waiting to happen, then you weren't paying attention to his early starts. He had amazing luck early in the season avoiding the big inning, even though he gave up a ton of runners. His WHIP is a pathetic 1.60.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 03:33 AM) Contreras has one horribly outing and people are ready to chop off his head. Yeah, I definitely mistyped when I said earlier that Contreras is struggling. He had a great start at Colorado before last night's debacle. Also, last night with Contreras didn't bother me because at least he got beat cause he was hit hard, and didn't walk people. Now, Duque on the other hand looks like absolute trash.

QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 03:20 AM) Typical Twins victory there...sheesh Not only that, but we lost ground to just about every possible wild card team. Also, the Indians seem to have found their hitting shoes. That team had too many weapons to struggle all season.

QUOTE(quickman @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 03:19 AM) let me ask, has anyone seen Baj pitch other than those living in that state? I mean really, don't you think if he was that good he would have at least been mentioned by scouts and our managment? I just don't think we need to get excited about this guy. Game over twins win on abloop hit. Baj has good numbers, but unless he's improved his stuff and command, I don't think he's going to help this team.

Twins win on a blooper by S. Stewart. That noise you hear is the SOS signal coming from US Cellular.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 02:53 AM) The lefthander from the Pirates. Pirates need an OF prospect. They're not trading Mike Gonzalez.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 02:42 AM) And Duque's making almost half of what those guys are making this season. In the inflated off-season market for starting pitchers, the Sox did very well to get El Duque for that price in the first place. With all the problems we had with our 5th starters over the past few seasons, if you had asked if El Duque would have won 7 games in mid June, would you take it? Of course you would. He's a second half pitcher as well, even though I haven't been pleased with his last few starts. That's the thing, without looking at stats or any numbers, I'm just making my statement with what I observe happening when I watch him pitch. I don't like Duque's command, stuff, or attitude on the mound right now. I know Hawk loves to say how Duque likes to pitch with guys on, but that's not going to work in the 2nd half of the year when the ball's flying out of the park. Duque looks like he can't get a lefty out to save his life right now either.

QUOTE(whitesoxjr27 @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 02:38 AM) i understand that yes. just saying if we do trade and it does not work out. then what do we do trade again? Then it wasn't your year. I just think a lot of us have doubts about this team making the playoffs with this particular roster. The Indians are beginning to scare me also, as they're playing good baseball as their offense begins to come around. Their bullpen is so much better than it was last year, so they're actually winning games that they lead late.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 02:39 AM) I don't know if this has generally been true, but this is not 'just another example' of that. It's Troy freaking Glaus, he hits everything hard, and he's done little wrong this entire year. Really, Shingo did pretty well here, given the situation. Glaus had been pretty awful for a long time before the last few days. In the Twins series last week, he couldn't hit a thing. We haven't made very good pitches to him, and like usual, he's kicked our ass.

QUOTE(whitesoxjr27 @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 02:35 AM) we get blown out a few games and everyone demands a trade. what if we do trade in the future and the trade does not pan out? then what? just my two cents. A lot of us weren't naive to this teams potential short-comings. Even when we were busy sweeping Colorado last week, many of us were saying we needed bullpen help and a back-up infielder.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 02:20 AM) Ok well let's compare El Duque to some other pitchers who got bigger deals this off-season. Jaret Wright: 2-2, 9.15 ERA, 13 K's, 9 BB's Russ Ortiz: 4-5, 5.45 ERA, 32 K's, 41 BB's Odalis Perez: 4-4, 4.50 ERA, 32 K's, 10 BB's Eric Milton: 3-8, 7.97 ERA, 44 K's, 23 BB's Jon Lieber: 8-4, 4.61 ERA, 47 K's, 19 BB's The only guy that was an option when we signed Duque was Milton, and that was never going to happen. Besides the win total (which has more to do with the Sox than Duque this year), his numbers are pretty much on par with the mediocre numbers you posted. Good job with the stats though, they come in handy for these friendly disagreements

Anyone notice how every out against Shingo seems to be a "loud" out? Last night, nearly every ball was hit to the track against him. We need bullpen help, and pronto. It's ridiculous that we don't have a long man, and we're going to need another lefty.

QUOTE(whitesox91403 @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 02:29 AM) 2003 was a fluke, he's not that good. Couldn't disagree with you more. Marte was easily one of the best lefty relievers in baseball for the past three seasons. Even in his so-called down years, he was way above average.

Might as well put Marte back on the DL after tonight. Something is obviously not right with him.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 02:16 AM) Thanks for letting us know he's done. Just calling it like I see it. Of course, just cause I say something, that doesn't make it right. For the record, I was saying how awful Duque looked this season well before he started giving up 4-6 runs every outing. It was just a matter of time for his terrible WHIP to catch up to him.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 02:07 AM) So I ask again. Who should we have signed instead for $8 million over 2 years? B-Mac is not ready, he's still giving up homers at an alarming rate down at Charlotte. Trust me, I don't want Brandon "Ruffcorn" McCarthy called up anytime soon. I don't recall which pitchers were available when we signed Duque....but no one outside of the Sox PR machine thought it was a good move. With his age, arm injuries, and flyball tendencies, he was a disaster waiting to happen at the Cell. For that reason, I'm content with what he's given us so far. However, I don't see anyway that we can expect Duque to turn it around the rest of the season. He got unbelievably lucky at the beginning of the season getting out of the jams he did. It was just a matter of time for him to start giving up a lot of crooked numbers.

QUOTE(quickman @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 02:07 AM) you know I think we are ready for a trade to add a jolt to the club. Its time. But...but...but....we have the best record in baseball. We're going to need new guys to pick it up, because a lot of the players that were carrying us earlier in the season are struggling. Iguchi's batting average has been slowly fading for a month now, and Contreras and Hermanson have struggled recently. Uribe looks to be coming out of his slump, which will help.

QUOTE(quickman @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 02:06 AM) Yea saw that. I'm still not sure why Omar didn't just throw that ball in the hole to the 3rd baseman in order to get the out. Instead, he tried to make the fancy jump throw to 2nd base. I guess you don't become the most overrated fielder in baseball history by making the smart choice (dont tell Hawk that though, he wants to have Omar's baby).

QUOTE(rangercal @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 02:03 AM) I say anthrax will be in this thread within 24 hrs bashing kw for signing el duque. I didn't like the Duque signing, and still dont. I'm just happy though that we got a solid 1/3 of the season out of him. It's more of a contribution that I figured we'd get from him.

Everett joining the ranks of AJP, PK, and Crede with the bat throw after a weak pop up.

QUOTE(whitesoxjr27 @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 02:03 AM) who is pitching for the dbacks on wed? we have a chance? Russ Ortiz. He has control issues, but with the Sox hitters, that usually doesn't mean much.

QUOTE(quickman @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 01:58 AM) personally this is game I would like to see if marte is healthy. He has not pitched in a while, and we are out of this game. Put him in there for a couple of batters. Definitely

QUOTE(bschmaranz @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 01:58 AM) Not quite understanding this one. You're talking about getting rid of a pitcher who is 7-1. Get your head on straight. Look past the record, and realize how bad he's looked in the past month or so. I'm not saying get rid of him after tonight. I'm more just anticipating what needs to happen if Duque continues to look like he has nothing left. I'd give Duque 3 more starts to get it turned around. If he still continues to struggle, you might have to consider placing him on the DL again to try and rest his arm.