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QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:49 AM) Ozzie lost this game when he lead off the inning with Kevin Walk-er. That hurt more than Timo at 1st base. Don't you think it's funny when you're forgiving your manager because one decision was dumber than the other?

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:45 AM) Well sometimes you just can't have both. At least if you choke in the 6th or 7th, you have time for a comeback. Cotts, Marte and Politte were all used yesterday, so that pretty much left Hermy (never was going to come in the 7th), Vizcaino or Walker. You don't think Politte or Marte couldn't have gone an inning, and then let Hermanson go for 2 innings? The managers job is to put the team in the best situation it can in order to succeed. Did Ozzie really think putting Walker in gave the team the best chance ito win? Look at what everyone was saying before he even threw a pitch. Hopefully, Walker finds himself unemployed after tonight.

QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:36 AM) Ozzie should bring Shingo in for nothing more than even just get some friggin work in...hell he has already thrown this game so why not. Problem is, we have too many relievers that fit this same description.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:42 AM) Would you rather have a pen that does good in long relief or one that does well in KEY late game (8th, 9th inning) situations? I want a bullpen that does well in both. You lose as many games in the 6th or 7th with relievers as you do in the 8th or 9th. Why Ozzie wanted to use our worst reliever in the 7th in a one run game against the top of the order simply shocks me.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:40 AM) Sure there are. And to want the combination of horrible Cubs pen preformances over what the Sox have done is hilarious. How many games have the Cubs pen given away vs what the Sox have done? What is our record in one run games? Where do the Sox rank in team relief points? (2nd) But you would rather have the Cubs pen? Come on. I know you are mad, but wow, at least be rational. Look at the post I wrote when you were probably writing this. The current relief corp on both teams being equal, I think the Cubs have a better bullpen foundation. They have their long man in Wellemeyer, two solid lefties in Bartosh and Ohman, a set-up man in Wuertz, and a solid closer in Dempster. I don't think the Cubs bullpen is much better than ours at all.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:37 AM) And you can throw in all of the fire jobs that Hawkins did as well. Dempster's ERA as a closer has been very good. Also, last time I checked, Shingo and Vizcaino didn't have stellar ERAs. You left out Ohman, Bartosh, and Wellemeyer, all guys with ERAs under 3. Wellemeyer is the best long man in the city of Chicago (that doesn't sound good). I'm the biggest Cubs hater there is....but I would take their full pen over ours right now.

QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:36 AM) Pretty much explains most of this thread. Are you serious? You honestly think Ozzie isn't a terrible manager? I can't see how any smart baseball fan wouldn't think he's just god awful.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:32 AM) That's exactly what I was thinking... wow what an overreaction. Last time I looked, there were more than 2 relievers on a team.

QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:34 AM) Ozuna? No. He can't play defensively at 3rd base. Also, until he learns to hit the ball longer than 10 feet in air, he's not a real solid option to be starting.

Pods defense = bad. With his speed, he should be so much better.

Considering we have no other options at 3rd base, Crede would have had to play no matter what.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:30 AM) So you'd rather have the likes of Joe Borowski and Ryan Dempster over Dustin Hermanson and Cliff Politte? No, but the set of relievers as a whole. If you haven't noticed, the Cubs bullpen has been lights out lately. Our bullpen continues to blow game after game. Hermanson has been great of course....yet Ozzie doesn't use him.

QUOTE(Mr. Showtime @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:27 AM) Sad. Yes, it's sad that in the professional sport that is dictated the most by the coach/manager, we have a f***ing moron leading our team. Not only that, he's become a massive asshole off the field. Ozzie is becoming everything I used to hate about Dusty and the Cubs, where they had the "us against the world" philosophy.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:27 AM) Would you rather have the Cubs bullpen or ours? Right now, the Cubs.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:26 AM) Ozzie will have the nerve after the game when the reporters question why the f*** he would start walker to start an inning. Let's see when ozzie started timo at first we all new what would happen. Guess what? It did and it cost us two runs. He starts walker in a one run f***ing ball game? We all knew what would happen. He then follows walker with vizcaino when men are on second and third with one out? You guessed it we knew what would happen too. Ozzie showed absolutely no ability to think ahead that inning. Walker didn't look like he could strike out a 5 year old that inning, so why not walk McPherson and try to get the slowest runner in baseball to hit into a DP. Instead, Ozzie basically just gave the Angels the lead.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:21 AM) Title says it all. He's been unbearable this week. Complete garbage. Be careful, he might verbally attack you like he did to Jeff Brantley. It's getting to the point where I hate our manager on and off the field. I used to think I would never hate a manager more than Dusty....but Ozzie is about to pass him up.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:23 AM) Neither of those last two called strikes have been called all night. That is crap. Doesn't matter, the 3-1 pitch was in the same place as the 3-2 pitch. We all know Timo is a f***ing moron and all.....but if you're going to swing at the 3-2 pitch before that one which was clearly high, then swing at the f***ing pitch on the outside corner.

So Timo takes the strikes, and swings at the balls? Why can't he just leave already....and take his boyfriend Ozzie with him.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:18 AM) So, have we seen enough of Vizcaino to decide that he sucks? Do we need to give him another month to f*** us over? If you don't realize he sucks now, you are retarded. Walker, same deal. Vizcaino did nothing wrong last inning. He forced the DP by the second batter he faced. We should have never pitched to Molina with an open base.

Lets see what Ozzie has f***ed up tonight: - Started Timo at 1b - Benched Iguchi for the 2nd time in 4 games - Let Kevin Walker, a reliever who hasn't pitched in over a week, start the 7th when we're up one against top of Angels order. - Left Walker in to give up 4 base runners to first 5 hitters he faced, with the only out being a deep fly out. - Pitched to McPhereson, who's swing great lately, instead of walking him to face the slowest hitter in the majors, Molina...in a definitely double play situation. - Pitched to Molina with first base open when a guy who was recently called up from the minors was up next (and ended up hitting into a DP). There's absolutely no excuse for this.

QUOTE(Soxnbears01 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:14 AM) i usually stick up for oz, but today this is absolutely ridiculous. We've been hearing that a lot lately, havent we? Ozzie's the worst manager with strategy in baseball.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:12 AM) Minny's bullpen is awesome. Nathan, Crain, Romero, and Rincon are all very, very good. Gardenhire also does a great job at putting his bullpen in a position to succeed. Their pen almost always starts the inning, instead of coming in when a pitcher gets in trouble.

I would take Bevington or Maneul's strategy ability over Ozzie's in a heartbeat.

Is it safe to say that Ozzie's having the worst managerial weak in the history of the Sox? The funny thing is that we're 2-0 this week. I know a lot of people talk about how good our record would be if we had better hitting. I'm thinking that our record would be even better if we had a good, or even average, manager.

Hopefully that's the last time that terrible f***ing pitcher Walker ever puts on a Sox jersey. We should release him tonight.