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QUOTE(WCSox @ Mar 6, 2007 -> 03:48 PM) LOL, he hasn't even won 100 yet. And it's going to take more than 225 wins to guarantee a spot in Cooperstown. So, you're saying that he signs with the Cubs this winter? I don't put Mark Buehrle on the same level as Santana, Randy Johnson, or Tom Glavine. Those are HOFers. Buehrle is on the really-good-but-not-great tier, along with David Wells, David Cone, and John Smoltz. John Smoltz is a hall of famer, easy. He's basically Curt Schilling except with a bunch of saves under his belt.

QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Mar 6, 2007 -> 03:44 PM) And yet he was getting 15 runs of support in those wins AND losses early in the season. Funny how those things tend to even out, now isn't it? Actually they don't.

QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Mar 6, 2007 -> 03:43 PM) Because I would rather go with younger pitchers who EVERYONE is tauting in this McCarthy deal, who will put up .500 numbers at a circa-5.00 era for about 8 million per annum less. How hard is this to understand? Vazquez has great stuff. He's also a loser. Wait, since when is Danks a guarantee to go .500 with a 5 ERA? Buehrle couldn't even manage that last season.

QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Mar 6, 2007 -> 03:39 PM) Haw, haw! You tell em Rob Neyer! Thank god wins and losses aren't that relevant to the game of baseball. Honestly, what are people thinking? He's right. When you can pitch as well as Javy did in his final 8 outings last season and not have a single win to show for it something it very wrong. A pitcher's W/L record has become a nearly irrelevant stat, as most people who work with stats and follow the game closely will agree.

Wow was I really only $500K off? Horray for me.

QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Mar 6, 2007 -> 02:49 PM) Without even knowing the terms of the deal? I love it if it's three more years for a few bags of peanuts When you're able to predict player contracts like I can, it's ok to make comments like that before all the details come out.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 6, 2007 -> 03:20 PM) Vazquez could put up a 5.00 ERA this year and I think this deal would still be moveable. You wouldn't get top of the line talent for it, but as long as he eats innings, that deal is still moveable. He's always healthy, has great stuff and eats innings. A guy like that will always be movable.

QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Mar 6, 2007 -> 03:25 PM) If he goes 9-13 with a 5.50 ERA he gets more than 11 mil in arbitration? Or is this based on your perception of Vazquez succeeding? Again, everyone, this is a high risk move in some ways. Like it or not, there is a chance this guy could psychologically fall off the cliff he seems to teeter on and put up ridiculously bad numbers. He made $12.5M this year, he's not going to take a pay cut through arbitration. QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 6, 2007 -> 03:28 PM) No matter what he does this year, if the White Sox were to have offered him arbitration...Javier Vazquez's salary would not have decreased in 2008. The only way that Vazquez's salary could have gone down, other than this deal, would have been for the White Sox to not offer him arbitration, at which point the Sox could lose him as a FA with no compensation. Exactly, at the least he would have made $12.5M next year likely more.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 6, 2007 -> 03:17 PM) 3 years 34 million reported. A GREAT deal by KW. f*** I was off by $1M on my initial estimate. What a deal.

QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Mar 6, 2007 -> 03:00 PM) Fair enough, but I mentioned the injury more as an aside, not as a huge part of the risk. The huge part of the risk is that the guy has great peripherals but has not gotten the job f***ing done for an entire season in the AL, and that he's coming off of a season with a ton of ups and downs. Again, why are we doing this NOW?!?!?!? This is the loose-aggressive gambler aspect of Kenny that I just cannot fathom at times. He hasn't gotten the job done in his 2 years in the AL, he hasn't spent 2 consecutive years with the same team since '02-'03 let alone the same league. Give him back to back season in the same league with the same team and he'll flourish, this is mine and KW's thinking obviously. Of course if you wait until the end of the season to give him an extension and he does kick ass this year it's going to cost you insane money to keep him around. This way you sign him to a potential bargain price in hopes that a second year with the team will do him some good. He could anchor this staff for years to come if they could just get him in a comfort zone. And IMO like I said before I really don't think a 3 year deal worth around $35M guaranteed is that much of a risk.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Mar 6, 2007 -> 03:00 PM) I think Erstad starts in left and Anderson in center with Pods on the DL for at least the first three weeks of the season. At that point the Anderson 2007 campaign will be in week three and Erstad may be on his way to the DL. Pods has already set a March 21 return date and from everything I've heard and read he's healing quite nicely and could be back and playing even before then. I wouldn't bet on a Pods DL stint to start the season, especially with Ozzie having his back and all.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Mar 6, 2007 -> 02:55 PM) Well, everything indicates BA will be in the majors. That's what Ozzie has said from Day 1 of camp. Erstad might eat into some of his PT, but BA will still be up there. Really?

Funny that you mention injuries as one of the risks of a long term deal when they guy has never been injured before. By that logic any deal given to any player ever is a huge risk because of injury, so why even mention it? As for his record and ERA, take a look at his other stats from last season and just the raw stuff that he has. He's the type of guy who could pay off in a major way if you keep him around and since he's always healthy, has great stuff and solid peripherals you could always move him a year or 2 from now, someone will always be willing to take a chance on him.

Well Pierz just launched one into orbit.

QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Mar 6, 2007 -> 02:49 PM) Without even knowing the terms of the deal? I love it if it's three more years for a few bags of peanuts It's likely 3 years averaging out to around $11M a year. I trust Williams when he does re-sign players to make solid deals, he's earned that.

Is there a reason why they keep mentioning what Erstad did 7 years ago like it holds any f***ing merit?

I f***ing love it.

Thank god for commercials.

Is it wrong that I just muted my TV?

QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 6, 2007 -> 02:41 PM) The disappointing this was that many people were aware of Anderson's holes while in the minors. His swing/approach at the plate is just brutal, and I can't see how he'll ever be a consistent hitter in the majors. And apparently his attitude is also playing a large part in their decision to send him back down (oh yeah I'm making it a foregone conclusion) how is it that he climbed his way through the minors over the past few years and they couldn't get a solid grasp of what type of guy he is? How do you trade away 2 other CFs without knowing exactly what you have in Anderson?

Is there a reason why Anderson hasn't played the past few games? Outside of the obvious answer of course.

QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 6, 2007 -> 02:36 PM) That would be such a disaster. Terrero is a bad baseball player....at least Anderson can contribute defensively. If Anderson gets sent down to AAA, it further enhances the claim some of us have made that the Javy trade was the worst one in club history. I've said this many a time and I don't see how it can really be defended. KW put all his eggs in the Anderson basket, trading away one of the top young outfielders in all of baseball (30-30 potential) as well as another starting CF all to clear way for a player who can't even beat out Luis Terrero for a roster spot. What a complete disaster.

Joe Crede enjoys playing defense.

Javy doesn't exactly look like a Gold Glover.

QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 6, 2007 -> 02:27 PM) I haven't seen anyone mention this yet, but in today's Tribune, Ozzie said that Erstad will be batting up in the order and playing somewhere in the field no matter what. When you add that to the fact that Ozzie said that Pods is his starting LF, no questions asked, you get the feeling that Anderson is going to be a platoon player at best this year. I think Brian already has his plane ticket to Charlotte while Terrero is looking for at apartments in Chicago.