Kalapse

QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 9, 2006 -> 02:01 AM) It was? If you don't think it was then you were not watching him pitch. He was tossing crap up there every pitch he threw was hit hard and it all started with the fluttering cutter he threw on the first pitch.

QUOTE(GoRowand33 @ Sep 8, 2006 -> 11:27 PM) I love how AJ keeps hitting walkoffs on games when we have a different uniform It's good to know that if the Sox are playing a night game on WGN and wearing a funky uniform AJ will likely hit a walkoff.

QUOTE(WinningUgly85 @ Sep 8, 2006 -> 11:40 PM) I don't criticize ozzie because I believe in his managerial skills. I think many of you are forgetting that Ozzie instills confidence in his players by showing that he trusts in their abilities. So I don't mind that he left Jenks in, not because we won but because Jenks will have the confidence next time around to close out a perfect game. Just remember without this ingredient we wouldn't be World Series champs. Ok, it's very likely that if the Sox did end up losing this game they may not even make the playoffs. You can't go around sacrificing games in the name of confidence especially in September when you're a game back in the Wild Card race.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 8, 2006 -> 11:29 PM) I can understand your and fathom's position on wanting to cut the losses and have Thornton come in, but Jenks has had outings where he's been ineffective and still sucked it up and gotten the save before. This game had extenuating circumstances in Jenks' hip injury. As far as I know Jenks has never gone into a game with a 2 run lead and an injury and come out on top. I've never seen Jenks look as bad as he did tonight, that first cutter he tossed up there was just horrible, no power or bite to it at all. It was appearant from the beginning that Jenks was not going to be able to get anyone out, that's when you get someone in there who can you don't just leave him in there to lose the game because he's your closer.

Following the first double in the 9th: QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 8, 2006 -> 10:33 PM) Garcia starts tend to have that effect on people. This is currently the best defensive OF we've had all year, it's a damn shame we'll never be able to see it for a full game though. THORNTON NOW! Following the 2nd double: QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 8, 2006 -> 10:35 PM) THORNTON NOW!!!!!!!1

QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 8, 2006 -> 11:15 PM) OK fathom, but why won't you address the situation of our medical staff obviously saying he was able to pitch. If he's deemed fit to pitch ... it now seems to me you want Ozzie to be a mindreader and decide, 'Wait, I've been told he can pitch and is able to close, but I truly feel he's hurt, so I better get him out of there.' That's what I don't understand about your position. It seems to me you wanted Ozzie to be a mindreader. This is a team for a reason. Doctors clear players to play. If he's not 100 percent he should not have been on tonight's available to perform list, like Crede was not on the available to perform list. QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 8, 2006 -> 11:13 PM) You don't know how Bobby and his hip are going to react until you actually get him into a high adrenaline, late in game situation like tonight. After the very first pitch he threw it was obvious he was f***ed out there. If Ozzie really wanted to help out his cloer he would have saved him by yanking him right after that and not let him go through the iminent bombing. He was cleared, yes. But no one ever said he was 100% healthy, there was obviously something wrong with him since he had to fly back to Chicago, Ozzie needs to have a shortleash with him.

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 8, 2006 -> 11:13 PM) Yep, I think we both said after the top of the 9th that a comeback would be just great so we don't have to have a 20 page thread about that situation. Haha, I'm 100% willing to let it go. I don't enjoy arguments about Ozzie's managing at all.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 8, 2006 -> 11:10 PM) I don't think he should have been pulled until they tied it. He's our closer. He was deemed fit to pitch by our trainer. All managers have a list of personnel deemed either fit to pitch or not. What is so difficult to accept my position that we had a two run lead and we brought in our closer to start the inning. Our closer failed. To understand your position better ... if Bobby was healthy do you agree he should have been allowed to either get the save or blow the save, not be removed at any point just because he appeared to not have it. I think it's safe to say ALL managers put in their closers with a 2 run lead or one run lead and it is the closer's game. So if Bobby is healthy do you agree he should be allowed to either get the save or blow it? YES OR NO? If you are addressing the Jenks is hurt situation ... can't you accept my position that if he's deemed fit to pitch by the trainer then he is our closer and again, closers ALWAYS are allowed to finish the job. You don't yank a closer until the game is tied? Again ... what manager does that? I can understand you thinking Oz should pull him because he's hurt and ineffective. I disagree because he obviously was cleared to pitch by our doctors. That means he's Jenks and Jenks closes games for the White Sox. You don't know how Bobby and his hip are going to react until you actually get him into a high adrenaline, late in game situation like tonight. After the very first pitch he threw it was obvious he was f***ed out there. If Ozzie really wanted to help out his cloer he would have saved him by yanking him right after that and not let him go through the iminent bombing.

This is possibly the most excited I've been about a win all year simply because I didn't want to have to argue about Ozzie's 9th inning blunder. Ugh, thank you AJ.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Sep 8, 2006 -> 10:58 PM) Great job guys! It's a good thing Paulie and AJ didn't give up like some of our fans. THen again, since they are all quitters anyway, I guess it doesn't matter. HUGE WIN!!!!!! LET.IT.GO

Garcia Konerko Cintron Uribe PIERYNKSI THORNTON YES!

Ozzie should buy AJ a f***ing car. What a finish, I'm willing to forget everything that happened in the top of the 9th. What a finish. Oh yeah, AJs walkoff last year vs the Dodgers was also on WGN.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 8, 2006 -> 10:51 PM) Let's just f***ing win this b**** and forget about the sadness. Thank you AJ, I love you more with each and every passing day.

wow, just wow

Let's just f***ing win this b**** and forget about the sadness.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Sep 8, 2006 -> 10:49 PM) Torre has a nice cushion, and can be afforded the luxery of playing somewhat-injured players. If Bobby's medically cleared to play by Herm and everyone involved in that decision, then I have no problem putting him in. I do think it was a mistake not to have Thornton face Grady, but I don't blame him for showing some confidence in his pitcher. I hope we win this ballgame. I don't want this to end on such a bulls*** note. There's no reason to "show confidence" in a pitcher who is throwing his fastball in the mid 80s and his slider has NO bite.

QUOTE(S720 @ Sep 8, 2006 -> 10:49 PM) Stop lying Fathom. If Jenks was healthy, you would have still jumped on Ozzie. Admit it! You are just watching every single negative that you can find to blame on Ozzie. Since last year! Jesus, Fathom and most everyone else has praised Ozzie in this game and others for good moves, when he makes a horrific one like this he will also get called on it.

You don't know how Jenks' hip is going to react until he's actually out there on the mound in a game situation. It was appearant from the get go that he was going to get lit up most all of us in the thread saw it imediately Ozzie should have seen the same and got Thornton in there.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 8, 2006 -> 10:43 PM) It's easy to understand fathom. If he's cleared to play, then he's cleared to play. You ever played hurt in a sport???? What can't you understand about a closer being put in to close??? You don't yank him. You let him get the save or fail like EVERY f***ing manager in baseball does!!!!! It was obvious he was going to fail, why not get someone in there who has a much better chance of succeeding?

QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 8, 2006 -> 10:41 PM) Kalapse name one situation in baseball, one manager who puts in the closer in a 2 run game and doesn't let him finish or blow it in the process. My god. Whhy would you leave him in if he's hurt and obviously doesn't have it? It was shockingly appearant that he had nothing tonigh, just look at my posts over the past few pages, he needs to be pulled imediately. he had nothing, you have to get him out of there and get someone in who can get people out.

Ozzie is so going to play the confidence card. This is just disgraceful.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 8, 2006 -> 10:39 PM) I'm sick of this manager crap. The closer was given a two run lead. You don't yank the closer even if he is pathetic like tonight. Our team is a joke all the way around. Wow, you've reached a new low.

f***! THORNTON!! WHERE THE f*** IS HE!!!!?!?!?!

THORNTON NOW!!!!!!!1

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Sep 8, 2006 -> 10:31 PM) This is a long ass game. Feels like it at least. Hopefully Bobby has his stuff tonight. Garcia starts tend to have that effect on people. This is currently the best defensive OF we've had all year, it's a damn shame we'll never be able to see it for a full game though. THORNTON NOW!